Why are hand-wound coils so common if commercial inductors are available? [duplicate]
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In most schematics of ham radio receivers and transmitters the inductor is mostly given specifically as the number of turns around some certain toroidal ferrite ring (for example). This corresponds to a certain inductance, which more often than not is just a standard value, say 220uH. These exist also as "lumped element" components, like the ones in the picture:
It seems a precise inductance is quite difficult to achieve (with homemade coils) and measure, whereas with store-bought inductors this problem is largely gone.
Why are hand-wound inductors so common?
Is it just a nostalgia thing? Do they tolerate more power? Why don't we need to do this with capacitors as well?
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Why do we have to hand wind toroids?
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In most schematics of ham radio receivers and transmitters the inductor is mostly given specifically as the number of turns around some certain toroidal ferrite ring (for example). This corresponds to a certain inductance, which more often than not is just a standard value, say 220uH. These exist also as "lumped element" components, like the ones in the picture:
It seems a precise inductance is quite difficult to achieve (with homemade coils) and measure, whereas with store-bought inductors this problem is largely gone.
Why are hand-wound inductors so common?
Is it just a nostalgia thing? Do they tolerate more power? Why don't we need to do this with capacitors as well?
inductor
asked Nov 25 '18 at 20:24
ahemmetterahemmetter
332212
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marked as duplicate by Marcus Müller, Community♦ Nov 26 '18 at 11:06
This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.
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Why are hand-wound inductors so common? I addressed this in my answer, linked above, but the short of it is: because it's the only component (or at least the only "interesting" one) that a private person can halfway decently produce themselves. And a lot of this hobby is about doing things yourself (not about doing things optimally or cheaply).
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:02
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@MarcusMüller Oh! That actually seems to answer the question. I'll close my question as a duplicate then. Thanks!
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– ahemmetter
Nov 26 '18 at 11:05
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hope it's really helpful :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:07
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Why do we have to hand wind toroids?
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In most schematics of ham radio receivers and transmitters the inductor is mostly given specifically as the number of turns around some certain toroidal ferrite ring (for example). This corresponds to a certain inductance, which more often than not is just a standard value, say 220uH. These exist also as "lumped element" components, like the ones in the picture:
It seems a precise inductance is quite difficult to achieve (with homemade coils) and measure, whereas with store-bought inductors this problem is largely gone.
Why are hand-wound inductors so common?
Is it just a nostalgia thing? Do they tolerate more power? Why don't we need to do this with capacitors as well?
inductor
asked Nov 25 '18 at 20:24
ahemmetterahemmetter
332212
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This question already has an answer here:
Why do we have to hand wind toroids?
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In most schematics of ham radio receivers and transmitters the inductor is mostly given specifically as the number of turns around some certain toroidal ferrite ring (for example). This corresponds to a certain inductance, which more often than not is just a standard value, say 220uH. These exist also as "lumped element" components, like the ones in the picture:
It seems a precise inductance is quite difficult to achieve (with homemade coils) and measure, whereas with store-bought inductors this problem is largely gone.
Why are hand-wound inductors so common?
Is it just a nostalgia thing? Do they tolerate more power? Why don't we need to do this with capacitors as well?
This question already has an answer here:
Why do we have to hand wind toroids?
2 answers
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inductor
asked Nov 25 '18 at 20:24
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marked as duplicate by Marcus Müller, Community♦ Nov 26 '18 at 11:06
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marked as duplicate by Marcus Müller, Community♦ Nov 26 '18 at 11:06
This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a new question.
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Why are hand-wound inductors so common? I addressed this in my answer, linked above, but the short of it is: because it's the only component (or at least the only "interesting" one) that a private person can halfway decently produce themselves. And a lot of this hobby is about doing things yourself (not about doing things optimally or cheaply).
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:02
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@MarcusMüller Oh! That actually seems to answer the question. I'll close my question as a duplicate then. Thanks!
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– ahemmetter
Nov 26 '18 at 11:05
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hope it's really helpful :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:07
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Why are hand-wound inductors so common? I addressed this in my answer, linked above, but the short of it is: because it's the only component (or at least the only "interesting" one) that a private person can halfway decently produce themselves. And a lot of this hobby is about doing things yourself (not about doing things optimally or cheaply).
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:02
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@MarcusMüller Oh! That actually seems to answer the question. I'll close my question as a duplicate then. Thanks!
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– ahemmetter
Nov 26 '18 at 11:05
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hope it's really helpful :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:07
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Why are hand-wound inductors so common? I addressed this in my answer, linked above, but the short of it is: because it's the only component (or at least the only "interesting" one) that a private person can halfway decently produce themselves. And a lot of this hobby is about doing things yourself (not about doing things optimally or cheaply).
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:02
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Why are hand-wound inductors so common? I addressed this in my answer, linked above, but the short of it is: because it's the only component (or at least the only "interesting" one) that a private person can halfway decently produce themselves. And a lot of this hobby is about doing things yourself (not about doing things optimally or cheaply).
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:02
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@MarcusMüller Oh! That actually seems to answer the question. I'll close my question as a duplicate then. Thanks!
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– ahemmetter
Nov 26 '18 at 11:05
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@MarcusMüller Oh! That actually seems to answer the question. I'll close my question as a duplicate then. Thanks!
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– ahemmetter
Nov 26 '18 at 11:05
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hope it's really helpful :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:07
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hope it's really helpful :)
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There is also the matter of how much current the device needs to carry. A hand-wound coil made from a few turns of relatively heavy copper (compared to the off-the-shelf devices shown in the question) will pass a lot more current than a tiny pre-bought inductor. The ones in the picture look like 1/4W or so, but you could easily put 5W into a small hand-wound coil with the same inductance.
A hand-wound coil would also have a known (or at least calculated) Q, for which the circuit was designed.
answered Nov 26 '18 at 0:32
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Well, if you buy inductors, you actually get a datasheet that specifies Q (or the values necessary to calculate it) … based on the measurements and models of the manufacturer which, I'm pretty certain are a tad more exact than the rules you generally find applied in self-winding guides :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:01
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Oh for sure, but if you’re making a project based on someone else’s circuit that was designed for specific hand-wound coils, their characteristics were built into the design. Also, many turns of thin wire (looking at that picture again) make for a very low Q generally
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– Scott Earle♦
Nov 26 '18 at 13:31
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Speaking only for myself... I have found air-wound coils to be relatively easy to make and tolerant of misuse. In the several instances I would have preferred to buy an inductor, I found it difficult to find something appropriate.
So --for me-- it is mostly ignorance.
answered Nov 25 '18 at 20:38
Chris K8NVHChris K8NVH
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This very nicely reflects what I alleged in a prior answer to a very similar to equivalent question asked a while ago: ham.stackexchange.com/questions/10506/…
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There is also the matter of how much current the device needs to carry. A hand-wound coil made from a few turns of relatively heavy copper (compared to the off-the-shelf devices shown in the question) will pass a lot more current than a tiny pre-bought inductor. The ones in the picture look like 1/4W or so, but you could easily put 5W into a small hand-wound coil with the same inductance.
A hand-wound coil would also have a known (or at least calculated) Q, for which the circuit was designed.
answered Nov 26 '18 at 0:32
Scott Earle♦Scott Earle
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Well, if you buy inductors, you actually get a datasheet that specifies Q (or the values necessary to calculate it) … based on the measurements and models of the manufacturer which, I'm pretty certain are a tad more exact than the rules you generally find applied in self-winding guides :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:01
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Oh for sure, but if you’re making a project based on someone else’s circuit that was designed for specific hand-wound coils, their characteristics were built into the design. Also, many turns of thin wire (looking at that picture again) make for a very low Q generally
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– Scott Earle♦
Nov 26 '18 at 13:31
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There is also the matter of how much current the device needs to carry. A hand-wound coil made from a few turns of relatively heavy copper (compared to the off-the-shelf devices shown in the question) will pass a lot more current than a tiny pre-bought inductor. The ones in the picture look like 1/4W or so, but you could easily put 5W into a small hand-wound coil with the same inductance.
A hand-wound coil would also have a known (or at least calculated) Q, for which the circuit was designed.
answered Nov 26 '18 at 0:32
Scott Earle♦Scott Earle
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Well, if you buy inductors, you actually get a datasheet that specifies Q (or the values necessary to calculate it) … based on the measurements and models of the manufacturer which, I'm pretty certain are a tad more exact than the rules you generally find applied in self-winding guides :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:01
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Oh for sure, but if you’re making a project based on someone else’s circuit that was designed for specific hand-wound coils, their characteristics were built into the design. Also, many turns of thin wire (looking at that picture again) make for a very low Q generally
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– Scott Earle♦
Nov 26 '18 at 13:31
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There is also the matter of how much current the device needs to carry. A hand-wound coil made from a few turns of relatively heavy copper (compared to the off-the-shelf devices shown in the question) will pass a lot more current than a tiny pre-bought inductor. The ones in the picture look like 1/4W or so, but you could easily put 5W into a small hand-wound coil with the same inductance.
A hand-wound coil would also have a known (or at least calculated) Q, for which the circuit was designed.
answered Nov 26 '18 at 0:32
Scott Earle♦Scott Earle
2,0881821
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There is also the matter of how much current the device needs to carry. A hand-wound coil made from a few turns of relatively heavy copper (compared to the off-the-shelf devices shown in the question) will pass a lot more current than a tiny pre-bought inductor. The ones in the picture look like 1/4W or so, but you could easily put 5W into a small hand-wound coil with the same inductance.
A hand-wound coil would also have a known (or at least calculated) Q, for which the circuit was designed.
answered Nov 26 '18 at 0:32
Scott Earle♦Scott Earle
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answered Nov 26 '18 at 0:32
Scott Earle♦Scott Earle
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answered Nov 26 '18 at 0:32
Scott Earle♦Scott Earle
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answered Nov 26 '18 at 0:32
Scott Earle♦Scott Earle
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Well, if you buy inductors, you actually get a datasheet that specifies Q (or the values necessary to calculate it) … based on the measurements and models of the manufacturer which, I'm pretty certain are a tad more exact than the rules you generally find applied in self-winding guides :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:01
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Oh for sure, but if you’re making a project based on someone else’s circuit that was designed for specific hand-wound coils, their characteristics were built into the design. Also, many turns of thin wire (looking at that picture again) make for a very low Q generally
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– Scott Earle♦
Nov 26 '18 at 13:31
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Well, if you buy inductors, you actually get a datasheet that specifies Q (or the values necessary to calculate it) … based on the measurements and models of the manufacturer which, I'm pretty certain are a tad more exact than the rules you generally find applied in self-winding guides :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:01
1
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Oh for sure, but if you’re making a project based on someone else’s circuit that was designed for specific hand-wound coils, their characteristics were built into the design. Also, many turns of thin wire (looking at that picture again) make for a very low Q generally
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– Scott Earle♦
Nov 26 '18 at 13:31
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Well, if you buy inductors, you actually get a datasheet that specifies Q (or the values necessary to calculate it) … based on the measurements and models of the manufacturer which, I'm pretty certain are a tad more exact than the rules you generally find applied in self-winding guides :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:01
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Well, if you buy inductors, you actually get a datasheet that specifies Q (or the values necessary to calculate it) … based on the measurements and models of the manufacturer which, I'm pretty certain are a tad more exact than the rules you generally find applied in self-winding guides :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:01
1
1
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Oh for sure, but if you’re making a project based on someone else’s circuit that was designed for specific hand-wound coils, their characteristics were built into the design. Also, many turns of thin wire (looking at that picture again) make for a very low Q generally
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– Scott Earle♦
Nov 26 '18 at 13:31
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Oh for sure, but if you’re making a project based on someone else’s circuit that was designed for specific hand-wound coils, their characteristics were built into the design. Also, many turns of thin wire (looking at that picture again) make for a very low Q generally
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– Scott Earle♦
Nov 26 '18 at 13:31
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Speaking only for myself... I have found air-wound coils to be relatively easy to make and tolerant of misuse. In the several instances I would have preferred to buy an inductor, I found it difficult to find something appropriate.
So --for me-- it is mostly ignorance.
answered Nov 25 '18 at 20:38
Chris K8NVHChris K8NVH
4581113
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This very nicely reflects what I alleged in a prior answer to a very similar to equivalent question asked a while ago: ham.stackexchange.com/questions/10506/…
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 10:59
add a comment |
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Speaking only for myself... I have found air-wound coils to be relatively easy to make and tolerant of misuse. In the several instances I would have preferred to buy an inductor, I found it difficult to find something appropriate.
So --for me-- it is mostly ignorance.
answered Nov 25 '18 at 20:38
Chris K8NVHChris K8NVH
4581113
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
This very nicely reflects what I alleged in a prior answer to a very similar to equivalent question asked a while ago: ham.stackexchange.com/questions/10506/…
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 10:59
add a comment |
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Speaking only for myself... I have found air-wound coils to be relatively easy to make and tolerant of misuse. In the several instances I would have preferred to buy an inductor, I found it difficult to find something appropriate.
So --for me-- it is mostly ignorance.
answered Nov 25 '18 at 20:38
Chris K8NVHChris K8NVH
4581113
$endgroup$
Speaking only for myself... I have found air-wound coils to be relatively easy to make and tolerant of misuse. In the several instances I would have preferred to buy an inductor, I found it difficult to find something appropriate.
So --for me-- it is mostly ignorance.
answered Nov 25 '18 at 20:38
Chris K8NVHChris K8NVH
4581113
answered Nov 25 '18 at 20:38
Chris K8NVHChris K8NVH
4581113
answered Nov 25 '18 at 20:38
Chris K8NVHChris K8NVH
4581113
answered Nov 25 '18 at 20:38
Chris K8NVHChris K8NVH
4581113
4581113
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This very nicely reflects what I alleged in a prior answer to a very similar to equivalent question asked a while ago: ham.stackexchange.com/questions/10506/…
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 10:59
add a comment |
$begingroup$
This very nicely reflects what I alleged in a prior answer to a very similar to equivalent question asked a while ago: ham.stackexchange.com/questions/10506/…
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 10:59
$begingroup$
This very nicely reflects what I alleged in a prior answer to a very similar to equivalent question asked a while ago: ham.stackexchange.com/questions/10506/…
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 10:59
$begingroup$
This very nicely reflects what I alleged in a prior answer to a very similar to equivalent question asked a while ago: ham.stackexchange.com/questions/10506/…
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 10:59
add a comment |
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Why are hand-wound inductors so common? I addressed this in my answer, linked above, but the short of it is: because it's the only component (or at least the only "interesting" one) that a private person can halfway decently produce themselves. And a lot of this hobby is about doing things yourself (not about doing things optimally or cheaply).
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:02
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@MarcusMüller Oh! That actually seems to answer the question. I'll close my question as a duplicate then. Thanks!
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– ahemmetter
Nov 26 '18 at 11:05
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hope it's really helpful :)
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– Marcus Müller
Nov 26 '18 at 11:07