Can you train your ranger to master different fighting styles?
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I realize this is similar to How can I take multiple fighting styles? but it's been still a nagging question that I'd like to find a solution to without multiclassing.
I like playing a Ranger who focuses on archery skills, but that tends to leave me open to melee attacks. Unlike the linked question, Rangers don't get to learn another fighting style at higher levels, which has left me to balance between archery and two-weapon as a fighting style and getting the opposing feat Sharpshooter and Dual Wielder, or multiclass just to get another fighting style.
That said, I wanted to dive deeper into the rules to find a better and faster way to keep on the ranger path and maintain a good balance without relying on the feats. I've considered multiclassing as a ranger (ranger to ranger) and seeing if there was a loophole in a feat that would allow me to learn two feats at once or different fighting styles but in the end, I felt like I might be overcomplicating things.
XGE P.134, under Training states
Given enough free time and the service of an instructor, a character
can learn a language or pick up proficiency with a tool.
Could that also apply to learn new fighting styles?
dnd-5e character-creation weapons optimization fighting-style
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I realize this is similar to How can I take multiple fighting styles? but it's been still a nagging question that I'd like to find a solution to without multiclassing.
I like playing a Ranger who focuses on archery skills, but that tends to leave me open to melee attacks. Unlike the linked question, Rangers don't get to learn another fighting style at higher levels, which has left me to balance between archery and two-weapon as a fighting style and getting the opposing feat Sharpshooter and Dual Wielder, or multiclass just to get another fighting style.
That said, I wanted to dive deeper into the rules to find a better and faster way to keep on the ranger path and maintain a good balance without relying on the feats. I've considered multiclassing as a ranger (ranger to ranger) and seeing if there was a loophole in a feat that would allow me to learn two feats at once or different fighting styles but in the end, I felt like I might be overcomplicating things.
XGE P.134, under Training states
Given enough free time and the service of an instructor, a character
can learn a language or pick up proficiency with a tool.
Could that also apply to learn new fighting styles?
dnd-5e character-creation weapons optimization fighting-style
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Hello Victor! I'm not sure why this question is getting down-voted, but I can guess that it's because you have the answer inside the question. My suggestion for you is that you might enjoy a more flexible gaming system, like Pathfinder, that will allow for more dynamic, creative character creations. :)
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– TigerDM
2 hours ago
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What do you mean by this? I've considered multiclassing as a ranger (ranger to ranger) Do you mean a multiclass to a level of fighter, or an attempt to get two Ranger sub classes in one character?
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– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
2
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To the question about multiclassing ranger-ranger, that's a "no" covered in this question: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/46700/…
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– TigerDM
2 hours ago
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I realize this is similar to How can I take multiple fighting styles? but it's been still a nagging question that I'd like to find a solution to without multiclassing.
I like playing a Ranger who focuses on archery skills, but that tends to leave me open to melee attacks. Unlike the linked question, Rangers don't get to learn another fighting style at higher levels, which has left me to balance between archery and two-weapon as a fighting style and getting the opposing feat Sharpshooter and Dual Wielder, or multiclass just to get another fighting style.
That said, I wanted to dive deeper into the rules to find a better and faster way to keep on the ranger path and maintain a good balance without relying on the feats. I've considered multiclassing as a ranger (ranger to ranger) and seeing if there was a loophole in a feat that would allow me to learn two feats at once or different fighting styles but in the end, I felt like I might be overcomplicating things.
XGE P.134, under Training states
Given enough free time and the service of an instructor, a character
can learn a language or pick up proficiency with a tool.
Could that also apply to learn new fighting styles?
dnd-5e character-creation weapons optimization fighting-style
asked 5 hours ago
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I realize this is similar to How can I take multiple fighting styles? but it's been still a nagging question that I'd like to find a solution to without multiclassing.
I like playing a Ranger who focuses on archery skills, but that tends to leave me open to melee attacks. Unlike the linked question, Rangers don't get to learn another fighting style at higher levels, which has left me to balance between archery and two-weapon as a fighting style and getting the opposing feat Sharpshooter and Dual Wielder, or multiclass just to get another fighting style.
That said, I wanted to dive deeper into the rules to find a better and faster way to keep on the ranger path and maintain a good balance without relying on the feats. I've considered multiclassing as a ranger (ranger to ranger) and seeing if there was a loophole in a feat that would allow me to learn two feats at once or different fighting styles but in the end, I felt like I might be overcomplicating things.
XGE P.134, under Training states
Given enough free time and the service of an instructor, a character
can learn a language or pick up proficiency with a tool.
Could that also apply to learn new fighting styles?
dnd-5e character-creation weapons optimization fighting-style
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Hello Victor! I'm not sure why this question is getting down-voted, but I can guess that it's because you have the answer inside the question. My suggestion for you is that you might enjoy a more flexible gaming system, like Pathfinder, that will allow for more dynamic, creative character creations. :)
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– TigerDM
2 hours ago
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What do you mean by this? I've considered multiclassing as a ranger (ranger to ranger) Do you mean a multiclass to a level of fighter, or an attempt to get two Ranger sub classes in one character?
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– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
2
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To the question about multiclassing ranger-ranger, that's a "no" covered in this question: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/46700/…
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– TigerDM
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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Hello Victor! I'm not sure why this question is getting down-voted, but I can guess that it's because you have the answer inside the question. My suggestion for you is that you might enjoy a more flexible gaming system, like Pathfinder, that will allow for more dynamic, creative character creations. :)
$endgroup$
– TigerDM
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
What do you mean by this? I've considered multiclassing as a ranger (ranger to ranger) Do you mean a multiclass to a level of fighter, or an attempt to get two Ranger sub classes in one character?
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
To the question about multiclassing ranger-ranger, that's a "no" covered in this question: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/46700/…
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– TigerDM
2 hours ago
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Hello Victor! I'm not sure why this question is getting down-voted, but I can guess that it's because you have the answer inside the question. My suggestion for you is that you might enjoy a more flexible gaming system, like Pathfinder, that will allow for more dynamic, creative character creations. :)
$endgroup$
– TigerDM
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
Hello Victor! I'm not sure why this question is getting down-voted, but I can guess that it's because you have the answer inside the question. My suggestion for you is that you might enjoy a more flexible gaming system, like Pathfinder, that will allow for more dynamic, creative character creations. :)
$endgroup$
– TigerDM
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
What do you mean by this? I've considered multiclassing as a ranger (ranger to ranger) Do you mean a multiclass to a level of fighter, or an attempt to get two Ranger sub classes in one character?
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
What do you mean by this? I've considered multiclassing as a ranger (ranger to ranger) Do you mean a multiclass to a level of fighter, or an attempt to get two Ranger sub classes in one character?
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
To the question about multiclassing ranger-ranger, that's a "no" covered in this question: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/46700/…
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– TigerDM
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
To the question about multiclassing ranger-ranger, that's a "no" covered in this question: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/46700/…
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– TigerDM
2 hours ago
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In short, no. You already answered your question.
Training does not let you pick up a whole new fighting style. that is something completely different than just a proficiency or language.
You already know the answer, you just don't want it to be true. Sorry man.
answered 5 hours ago
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I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see how learning fighting styles is that different than learning tool proficiencies. Many martial artists advance their skills by learning new fighting styles (without starting from scratch) by finding a good instructor and devoting enough time, the same as XGE requires for tools. They can learn to fight with different styles, new weapons, etc, so I'm confused how I'm in denial to see a link....
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– Victor B
4 hours ago
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@VictorB if you want an in-universe explanation: Learning a new fighting style means that you have to keep practicing it. That is doable if you gain it as part of your class - but if you don't, that means that you learn something else from your class instead, which also requires training, leaving no time to train your fighting style. The real reason, however, is just balancing. Language or tool proficiencies have no real impact on combat balancing, but fighting styles do - which is why you can't learn them "for free".
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– PixelMaster
4 hours ago
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@Victor, a DM might find your argument persuasive and allow you to do as you propose. That would be a homebrew rule, though. As written, tool proficiencies are a separate thing from fighting styles and can't be trained using the same mechanic.
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– Rykara
4 hours ago
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You will, as you mention in your question, have to multiclass. It’ll mean figuring out whether a 1 level dip into fighter is worth the delay in Ranger level progressions.
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– TigerDM
4 hours ago
1
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@TigerDM That looks like the start of a good answer to the question, rather than a comment on this answer. :) I hope you'll craft an answer to approach this question from that direction.
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– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
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In short, no. You already answered your question.
Training does not let you pick up a whole new fighting style. that is something completely different than just a proficiency or language.
You already know the answer, you just don't want it to be true. Sorry man.
answered 5 hours ago
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I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see how learning fighting styles is that different than learning tool proficiencies. Many martial artists advance their skills by learning new fighting styles (without starting from scratch) by finding a good instructor and devoting enough time, the same as XGE requires for tools. They can learn to fight with different styles, new weapons, etc, so I'm confused how I'm in denial to see a link....
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– Victor B
4 hours ago
3
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@VictorB if you want an in-universe explanation: Learning a new fighting style means that you have to keep practicing it. That is doable if you gain it as part of your class - but if you don't, that means that you learn something else from your class instead, which also requires training, leaving no time to train your fighting style. The real reason, however, is just balancing. Language or tool proficiencies have no real impact on combat balancing, but fighting styles do - which is why you can't learn them "for free".
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– PixelMaster
4 hours ago
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@Victor, a DM might find your argument persuasive and allow you to do as you propose. That would be a homebrew rule, though. As written, tool proficiencies are a separate thing from fighting styles and can't be trained using the same mechanic.
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– Rykara
4 hours ago
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You will, as you mention in your question, have to multiclass. It’ll mean figuring out whether a 1 level dip into fighter is worth the delay in Ranger level progressions.
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– TigerDM
4 hours ago
1
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@TigerDM That looks like the start of a good answer to the question, rather than a comment on this answer. :) I hope you'll craft an answer to approach this question from that direction.
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– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
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In short, no. You already answered your question.
Training does not let you pick up a whole new fighting style. that is something completely different than just a proficiency or language.
You already know the answer, you just don't want it to be true. Sorry man.
answered 5 hours ago
WizoWizo
1163
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I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see how learning fighting styles is that different than learning tool proficiencies. Many martial artists advance their skills by learning new fighting styles (without starting from scratch) by finding a good instructor and devoting enough time, the same as XGE requires for tools. They can learn to fight with different styles, new weapons, etc, so I'm confused how I'm in denial to see a link....
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– Victor B
4 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
@VictorB if you want an in-universe explanation: Learning a new fighting style means that you have to keep practicing it. That is doable if you gain it as part of your class - but if you don't, that means that you learn something else from your class instead, which also requires training, leaving no time to train your fighting style. The real reason, however, is just balancing. Language or tool proficiencies have no real impact on combat balancing, but fighting styles do - which is why you can't learn them "for free".
$endgroup$
– PixelMaster
4 hours ago
4
$begingroup$
@Victor, a DM might find your argument persuasive and allow you to do as you propose. That would be a homebrew rule, though. As written, tool proficiencies are a separate thing from fighting styles and can't be trained using the same mechanic.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
You will, as you mention in your question, have to multiclass. It’ll mean figuring out whether a 1 level dip into fighter is worth the delay in Ranger level progressions.
$endgroup$
– TigerDM
4 hours ago
1
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@TigerDM That looks like the start of a good answer to the question, rather than a comment on this answer. :) I hope you'll craft an answer to approach this question from that direction.
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– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
In short, no. You already answered your question.
Training does not let you pick up a whole new fighting style. that is something completely different than just a proficiency or language.
You already know the answer, you just don't want it to be true. Sorry man.
answered 5 hours ago
WizoWizo
1163
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In short, no. You already answered your question.
Training does not let you pick up a whole new fighting style. that is something completely different than just a proficiency or language.
You already know the answer, you just don't want it to be true. Sorry man.
answered 5 hours ago
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answered 5 hours ago
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answered 5 hours ago
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answered 5 hours ago
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I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see how learning fighting styles is that different than learning tool proficiencies. Many martial artists advance their skills by learning new fighting styles (without starting from scratch) by finding a good instructor and devoting enough time, the same as XGE requires for tools. They can learn to fight with different styles, new weapons, etc, so I'm confused how I'm in denial to see a link....
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– Victor B
4 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
@VictorB if you want an in-universe explanation: Learning a new fighting style means that you have to keep practicing it. That is doable if you gain it as part of your class - but if you don't, that means that you learn something else from your class instead, which also requires training, leaving no time to train your fighting style. The real reason, however, is just balancing. Language or tool proficiencies have no real impact on combat balancing, but fighting styles do - which is why you can't learn them "for free".
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– PixelMaster
4 hours ago
4
$begingroup$
@Victor, a DM might find your argument persuasive and allow you to do as you propose. That would be a homebrew rule, though. As written, tool proficiencies are a separate thing from fighting styles and can't be trained using the same mechanic.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
4 hours ago
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You will, as you mention in your question, have to multiclass. It’ll mean figuring out whether a 1 level dip into fighter is worth the delay in Ranger level progressions.
$endgroup$
– TigerDM
4 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@TigerDM That looks like the start of a good answer to the question, rather than a comment on this answer. :) I hope you'll craft an answer to approach this question from that direction.
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– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see how learning fighting styles is that different than learning tool proficiencies. Many martial artists advance their skills by learning new fighting styles (without starting from scratch) by finding a good instructor and devoting enough time, the same as XGE requires for tools. They can learn to fight with different styles, new weapons, etc, so I'm confused how I'm in denial to see a link....
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– Victor B
4 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
@VictorB if you want an in-universe explanation: Learning a new fighting style means that you have to keep practicing it. That is doable if you gain it as part of your class - but if you don't, that means that you learn something else from your class instead, which also requires training, leaving no time to train your fighting style. The real reason, however, is just balancing. Language or tool proficiencies have no real impact on combat balancing, but fighting styles do - which is why you can't learn them "for free".
$endgroup$
– PixelMaster
4 hours ago
4
$begingroup$
@Victor, a DM might find your argument persuasive and allow you to do as you propose. That would be a homebrew rule, though. As written, tool proficiencies are a separate thing from fighting styles and can't be trained using the same mechanic.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
You will, as you mention in your question, have to multiclass. It’ll mean figuring out whether a 1 level dip into fighter is worth the delay in Ranger level progressions.
$endgroup$
– TigerDM
4 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
@TigerDM That looks like the start of a good answer to the question, rather than a comment on this answer. :) I hope you'll craft an answer to approach this question from that direction.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see how learning fighting styles is that different than learning tool proficiencies. Many martial artists advance their skills by learning new fighting styles (without starting from scratch) by finding a good instructor and devoting enough time, the same as XGE requires for tools. They can learn to fight with different styles, new weapons, etc, so I'm confused how I'm in denial to see a link....
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– Victor B
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but I don't see how learning fighting styles is that different than learning tool proficiencies. Many martial artists advance their skills by learning new fighting styles (without starting from scratch) by finding a good instructor and devoting enough time, the same as XGE requires for tools. They can learn to fight with different styles, new weapons, etc, so I'm confused how I'm in denial to see a link....
$endgroup$
– Victor B
4 hours ago
3
3
$begingroup$
@VictorB if you want an in-universe explanation: Learning a new fighting style means that you have to keep practicing it. That is doable if you gain it as part of your class - but if you don't, that means that you learn something else from your class instead, which also requires training, leaving no time to train your fighting style. The real reason, however, is just balancing. Language or tool proficiencies have no real impact on combat balancing, but fighting styles do - which is why you can't learn them "for free".
$endgroup$
– PixelMaster
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@VictorB if you want an in-universe explanation: Learning a new fighting style means that you have to keep practicing it. That is doable if you gain it as part of your class - but if you don't, that means that you learn something else from your class instead, which also requires training, leaving no time to train your fighting style. The real reason, however, is just balancing. Language or tool proficiencies have no real impact on combat balancing, but fighting styles do - which is why you can't learn them "for free".
$endgroup$
– PixelMaster
4 hours ago
4
4
$begingroup$
@Victor, a DM might find your argument persuasive and allow you to do as you propose. That would be a homebrew rule, though. As written, tool proficiencies are a separate thing from fighting styles and can't be trained using the same mechanic.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Victor, a DM might find your argument persuasive and allow you to do as you propose. That would be a homebrew rule, though. As written, tool proficiencies are a separate thing from fighting styles and can't be trained using the same mechanic.
$endgroup$
– Rykara
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
You will, as you mention in your question, have to multiclass. It’ll mean figuring out whether a 1 level dip into fighter is worth the delay in Ranger level progressions.
$endgroup$
– TigerDM
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
You will, as you mention in your question, have to multiclass. It’ll mean figuring out whether a 1 level dip into fighter is worth the delay in Ranger level progressions.
$endgroup$
– TigerDM
4 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
@TigerDM That looks like the start of a good answer to the question, rather than a comment on this answer. :) I hope you'll craft an answer to approach this question from that direction.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
@TigerDM That looks like the start of a good answer to the question, rather than a comment on this answer. :) I hope you'll craft an answer to approach this question from that direction.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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Hello Victor! I'm not sure why this question is getting down-voted, but I can guess that it's because you have the answer inside the question. My suggestion for you is that you might enjoy a more flexible gaming system, like Pathfinder, that will allow for more dynamic, creative character creations. :)
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– TigerDM
2 hours ago
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What do you mean by this? I've considered multiclassing as a ranger (ranger to ranger) Do you mean a multiclass to a level of fighter, or an attempt to get two Ranger sub classes in one character?
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– KorvinStarmast
2 hours ago
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To the question about multiclassing ranger-ranger, that's a "no" covered in this question: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/46700/…
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– TigerDM
2 hours ago