Male makes several female Co-Workers uncomfortable. What course of action to take?
A friend of mine works in the social sector in Germany. She works at a school for mentally disabled children. The school is loosely related to "Waldorff"-Philosophy, which apparrenrly makes sexuality a taboo topic. She has told me several stories of a guy who continuously makes advances on female collegues, including her. He has a reputation to be someone to stay away from, but it's proving hard to take actions against him.
Most women don't immediately go to teachers because they see the acts done against them too minor to be mentioned (an inappropiate shoulder touch here, an unwanted hug there)
However my friend had an explicit experience where he wanted her to hug him, she refused and got in her car, but he pulled her out, forcefully hugged and kissed her despite her declining and struggles.
Later she learnt that a lot of girls have stories to share but never dare to. So we have a ton of minor stories and one major one. There might be more that are unknown so far.
The school has no HR department to speak of. My friend went to her supervisor roughly two to three months after the incident. He told her that he would have fired the guy immediately, but he said it's statute-barred by now. There also seens to be some fear in regard to her supervisors, as the harrassers mother apparently is a highly respected doctor at the workplace.
The higher-ups are generally aware of the situation but refuse to take action for "unknown reasons".
She has been told if one more "concrete incident" happens, they will let him go (and he will be banned from working in the social sector).
He does get called in monthly for talks about his behaviour but without effect.
He also behaves suspiciously around the mentally disabled children and teenagers, but it's much too vague for allegations.
What course of action can my friend take to make sure she, her collegues, and the children remain safe from the harrasser?
unprofessional-behavior germany harassment sexual-harassment
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A friend of mine works in the social sector in Germany. She works at a school for mentally disabled children. The school is loosely related to "Waldorff"-Philosophy, which apparrenrly makes sexuality a taboo topic. She has told me several stories of a guy who continuously makes advances on female collegues, including her. He has a reputation to be someone to stay away from, but it's proving hard to take actions against him.
Most women don't immediately go to teachers because they see the acts done against them too minor to be mentioned (an inappropiate shoulder touch here, an unwanted hug there)
However my friend had an explicit experience where he wanted her to hug him, she refused and got in her car, but he pulled her out, forcefully hugged and kissed her despite her declining and struggles.
Later she learnt that a lot of girls have stories to share but never dare to. So we have a ton of minor stories and one major one. There might be more that are unknown so far.
The school has no HR department to speak of. My friend went to her supervisor roughly two to three months after the incident. He told her that he would have fired the guy immediately, but he said it's statute-barred by now. There also seens to be some fear in regard to her supervisors, as the harrassers mother apparently is a highly respected doctor at the workplace.
The higher-ups are generally aware of the situation but refuse to take action for "unknown reasons".
She has been told if one more "concrete incident" happens, they will let him go (and he will be banned from working in the social sector).
He does get called in monthly for talks about his behaviour but without effect.
He also behaves suspiciously around the mentally disabled children and teenagers, but it's much too vague for allegations.
What course of action can my friend take to make sure she, her collegues, and the children remain safe from the harrasser?
unprofessional-behavior germany harassment sexual-harassment
edited 1 hour ago
user9993
1464
asked 7 hours ago
anon
345138
1
Just a note: The claim about the incident being "statute-barred" seems very questionable to me. At the very least the boss could formally admonish the employee (Abmahnung), there is no time limit for that. And while an immediate dismissal (fristlose Kündigung) must happen within two weeks, that's two weeks from when the employer learns about an incident. So it looks like the boss is either misinformed, or actively stalling.
– sleske
4 hours ago
add a comment |
A friend of mine works in the social sector in Germany. She works at a school for mentally disabled children. The school is loosely related to "Waldorff"-Philosophy, which apparrenrly makes sexuality a taboo topic. She has told me several stories of a guy who continuously makes advances on female collegues, including her. He has a reputation to be someone to stay away from, but it's proving hard to take actions against him.
Most women don't immediately go to teachers because they see the acts done against them too minor to be mentioned (an inappropiate shoulder touch here, an unwanted hug there)
However my friend had an explicit experience where he wanted her to hug him, she refused and got in her car, but he pulled her out, forcefully hugged and kissed her despite her declining and struggles.
Later she learnt that a lot of girls have stories to share but never dare to. So we have a ton of minor stories and one major one. There might be more that are unknown so far.
The school has no HR department to speak of. My friend went to her supervisor roughly two to three months after the incident. He told her that he would have fired the guy immediately, but he said it's statute-barred by now. There also seens to be some fear in regard to her supervisors, as the harrassers mother apparently is a highly respected doctor at the workplace.
The higher-ups are generally aware of the situation but refuse to take action for "unknown reasons".
She has been told if one more "concrete incident" happens, they will let him go (and he will be banned from working in the social sector).
He does get called in monthly for talks about his behaviour but without effect.
He also behaves suspiciously around the mentally disabled children and teenagers, but it's much too vague for allegations.
What course of action can my friend take to make sure she, her collegues, and the children remain safe from the harrasser?
unprofessional-behavior germany harassment sexual-harassment
edited 1 hour ago
user9993
1464
asked 7 hours ago
anon
345138
A friend of mine works in the social sector in Germany. She works at a school for mentally disabled children. The school is loosely related to "Waldorff"-Philosophy, which apparrenrly makes sexuality a taboo topic. She has told me several stories of a guy who continuously makes advances on female collegues, including her. He has a reputation to be someone to stay away from, but it's proving hard to take actions against him.
Most women don't immediately go to teachers because they see the acts done against them too minor to be mentioned (an inappropiate shoulder touch here, an unwanted hug there)
However my friend had an explicit experience where he wanted her to hug him, she refused and got in her car, but he pulled her out, forcefully hugged and kissed her despite her declining and struggles.
Later she learnt that a lot of girls have stories to share but never dare to. So we have a ton of minor stories and one major one. There might be more that are unknown so far.
The school has no HR department to speak of. My friend went to her supervisor roughly two to three months after the incident. He told her that he would have fired the guy immediately, but he said it's statute-barred by now. There also seens to be some fear in regard to her supervisors, as the harrassers mother apparently is a highly respected doctor at the workplace.
The higher-ups are generally aware of the situation but refuse to take action for "unknown reasons".
She has been told if one more "concrete incident" happens, they will let him go (and he will be banned from working in the social sector).
He does get called in monthly for talks about his behaviour but without effect.
He also behaves suspiciously around the mentally disabled children and teenagers, but it's much too vague for allegations.
What course of action can my friend take to make sure she, her collegues, and the children remain safe from the harrasser?
unprofessional-behavior germany harassment sexual-harassment
unprofessional-behavior germany harassment sexual-harassment
edited 1 hour ago
user9993
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asked 7 hours ago
anon
345138
edited 1 hour ago
user9993
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asked 7 hours ago
anon
345138
edited 1 hour ago
user9993
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edited 1 hour ago
user9993
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edited 1 hour ago
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asked 7 hours ago
anon
345138
asked 7 hours ago
anon
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asked 7 hours ago
anon
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Just a note: The claim about the incident being "statute-barred" seems very questionable to me. At the very least the boss could formally admonish the employee (Abmahnung), there is no time limit for that. And while an immediate dismissal (fristlose Kündigung) must happen within two weeks, that's two weeks from when the employer learns about an incident. So it looks like the boss is either misinformed, or actively stalling.
– sleske
4 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Just a note: The claim about the incident being "statute-barred" seems very questionable to me. At the very least the boss could formally admonish the employee (Abmahnung), there is no time limit for that. And while an immediate dismissal (fristlose Kündigung) must happen within two weeks, that's two weeks from when the employer learns about an incident. So it looks like the boss is either misinformed, or actively stalling.
– sleske
4 hours ago
1
1
Just a note: The claim about the incident being "statute-barred" seems very questionable to me. At the very least the boss could formally admonish the employee (Abmahnung), there is no time limit for that. And while an immediate dismissal (fristlose Kündigung) must happen within two weeks, that's two weeks from when the employer learns about an incident. So it looks like the boss is either misinformed, or actively stalling.
– sleske
4 hours ago
Just a note: The claim about the incident being "statute-barred" seems very questionable to me. At the very least the boss could formally admonish the employee (Abmahnung), there is no time limit for that. And while an immediate dismissal (fristlose Kündigung) must happen within two weeks, that's two weeks from when the employer learns about an incident. So it looks like the boss is either misinformed, or actively stalling.
– sleske
4 hours ago
add a comment |
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What would you do if it was theft or a violent attack?
Do the same.
- make sure they are clear sexual harassments or assaults (which your example is)
- get a lawyer for legal advice and potentially sue
- go to police and report the incident
- file a complaint with the "Schulaufsichtsbehörde"
Schools, especially private ones have just like companies vested interests in downplaying or deflecting allegations.
By including the authorities you'll get a much higher chance that your grievance is taken seriously and consequently dealt with by objective third parties.
answered 7 hours ago
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Forcibly hugging and kissing is not minor. It is likely assault and a criminal offense. Even in Germany, this should be grounds for firing.
From what I have read, the statute of limitations on sexual assault is at least three years so I think the supervisor is avoiding taking action. This is extremely concerning considering this kind of sexual predator should not be working with mentally disabled children.
I suggest escalating this to the police to press charges against the individual.
Alternatively, you might consider sharing the story of a sexual predator working with mentally disabled children, including that the supervisor took no action after a criminal sexual assault, with local news media (TV or newspaper) or social media. This is the kind of story that goes viral and wins journalism awards.
answered 7 hours ago
Eric
4,46211227
Regardless the supervisor said 3months is too late. What should she respond to that?
– anon
6 hours ago
@anon with a lawyer
– bruglesco
6 hours ago
While what you write is true, I don't see how this answers the question as asked, namely what action OP should take. Could you edit to clarify?
– sleske
4 hours ago
1
@anon Please see my rescued answer.
– Eric
4 hours ago
6
@anon If the supervisor said "3 months is too late", then she should say "I am quite sure that this is wrong. Could you show me where your information comes from? Anyway, if you refuse to act on my concerns, I would like that in writing from you, and then I will find a lawyer and hand it to them. "
– gnasher729
3 hours ago
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Document all those "minor" incidents towards you and strange behavior towards children with dates and witnesses. Then approach your superiors together.
answered 7 hours ago
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What would you do if it was theft or a violent attack?
Do the same.
- make sure they are clear sexual harassments or assaults (which your example is)
- get a lawyer for legal advice and potentially sue
- go to police and report the incident
- file a complaint with the "Schulaufsichtsbehörde"
Schools, especially private ones have just like companies vested interests in downplaying or deflecting allegations.
By including the authorities you'll get a much higher chance that your grievance is taken seriously and consequently dealt with by objective third parties.
answered 7 hours ago
DigitalBlade969
4,4081420
add a comment |
What would you do if it was theft or a violent attack?
Do the same.
- make sure they are clear sexual harassments or assaults (which your example is)
- get a lawyer for legal advice and potentially sue
- go to police and report the incident
- file a complaint with the "Schulaufsichtsbehörde"
Schools, especially private ones have just like companies vested interests in downplaying or deflecting allegations.
By including the authorities you'll get a much higher chance that your grievance is taken seriously and consequently dealt with by objective third parties.
answered 7 hours ago
DigitalBlade969
4,4081420
add a comment |
What would you do if it was theft or a violent attack?
Do the same.
- make sure they are clear sexual harassments or assaults (which your example is)
- get a lawyer for legal advice and potentially sue
- go to police and report the incident
- file a complaint with the "Schulaufsichtsbehörde"
Schools, especially private ones have just like companies vested interests in downplaying or deflecting allegations.
By including the authorities you'll get a much higher chance that your grievance is taken seriously and consequently dealt with by objective third parties.
answered 7 hours ago
DigitalBlade969
4,4081420
What would you do if it was theft or a violent attack?
Do the same.
- make sure they are clear sexual harassments or assaults (which your example is)
- get a lawyer for legal advice and potentially sue
- go to police and report the incident
- file a complaint with the "Schulaufsichtsbehörde"
Schools, especially private ones have just like companies vested interests in downplaying or deflecting allegations.
By including the authorities you'll get a much higher chance that your grievance is taken seriously and consequently dealt with by objective third parties.
answered 7 hours ago
DigitalBlade969
4,4081420
edited 6 hours ago
answered 7 hours ago
DigitalBlade969
4,4081420
answered 7 hours ago
DigitalBlade969
4,4081420
answered 7 hours ago
DigitalBlade969
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Forcibly hugging and kissing is not minor. It is likely assault and a criminal offense. Even in Germany, this should be grounds for firing.
From what I have read, the statute of limitations on sexual assault is at least three years so I think the supervisor is avoiding taking action. This is extremely concerning considering this kind of sexual predator should not be working with mentally disabled children.
I suggest escalating this to the police to press charges against the individual.
Alternatively, you might consider sharing the story of a sexual predator working with mentally disabled children, including that the supervisor took no action after a criminal sexual assault, with local news media (TV or newspaper) or social media. This is the kind of story that goes viral and wins journalism awards.
answered 7 hours ago
Eric
4,46211227
Regardless the supervisor said 3months is too late. What should she respond to that?
– anon
6 hours ago
@anon with a lawyer
– bruglesco
6 hours ago
While what you write is true, I don't see how this answers the question as asked, namely what action OP should take. Could you edit to clarify?
– sleske
4 hours ago
1
@anon Please see my rescued answer.
– Eric
4 hours ago
6
@anon If the supervisor said "3 months is too late", then she should say "I am quite sure that this is wrong. Could you show me where your information comes from? Anyway, if you refuse to act on my concerns, I would like that in writing from you, and then I will find a lawyer and hand it to them. "
– gnasher729
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Forcibly hugging and kissing is not minor. It is likely assault and a criminal offense. Even in Germany, this should be grounds for firing.
From what I have read, the statute of limitations on sexual assault is at least three years so I think the supervisor is avoiding taking action. This is extremely concerning considering this kind of sexual predator should not be working with mentally disabled children.
I suggest escalating this to the police to press charges against the individual.
Alternatively, you might consider sharing the story of a sexual predator working with mentally disabled children, including that the supervisor took no action after a criminal sexual assault, with local news media (TV or newspaper) or social media. This is the kind of story that goes viral and wins journalism awards.
answered 7 hours ago
Eric
4,46211227
Regardless the supervisor said 3months is too late. What should she respond to that?
– anon
6 hours ago
@anon with a lawyer
– bruglesco
6 hours ago
While what you write is true, I don't see how this answers the question as asked, namely what action OP should take. Could you edit to clarify?
– sleske
4 hours ago
1
@anon Please see my rescued answer.
– Eric
4 hours ago
6
@anon If the supervisor said "3 months is too late", then she should say "I am quite sure that this is wrong. Could you show me where your information comes from? Anyway, if you refuse to act on my concerns, I would like that in writing from you, and then I will find a lawyer and hand it to them. "
– gnasher729
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Forcibly hugging and kissing is not minor. It is likely assault and a criminal offense. Even in Germany, this should be grounds for firing.
From what I have read, the statute of limitations on sexual assault is at least three years so I think the supervisor is avoiding taking action. This is extremely concerning considering this kind of sexual predator should not be working with mentally disabled children.
I suggest escalating this to the police to press charges against the individual.
Alternatively, you might consider sharing the story of a sexual predator working with mentally disabled children, including that the supervisor took no action after a criminal sexual assault, with local news media (TV or newspaper) or social media. This is the kind of story that goes viral and wins journalism awards.
answered 7 hours ago
Eric
4,46211227
Forcibly hugging and kissing is not minor. It is likely assault and a criminal offense. Even in Germany, this should be grounds for firing.
From what I have read, the statute of limitations on sexual assault is at least three years so I think the supervisor is avoiding taking action. This is extremely concerning considering this kind of sexual predator should not be working with mentally disabled children.
I suggest escalating this to the police to press charges against the individual.
Alternatively, you might consider sharing the story of a sexual predator working with mentally disabled children, including that the supervisor took no action after a criminal sexual assault, with local news media (TV or newspaper) or social media. This is the kind of story that goes viral and wins journalism awards.
answered 7 hours ago
Eric
4,46211227
edited 3 hours ago
answered 7 hours ago
Eric
4,46211227
answered 7 hours ago
Eric
4,46211227
answered 7 hours ago
Eric
4,46211227
4,46211227
Regardless the supervisor said 3months is too late. What should she respond to that?
– anon
6 hours ago
@anon with a lawyer
– bruglesco
6 hours ago
While what you write is true, I don't see how this answers the question as asked, namely what action OP should take. Could you edit to clarify?
– sleske
4 hours ago
1
@anon Please see my rescued answer.
– Eric
4 hours ago
6
@anon If the supervisor said "3 months is too late", then she should say "I am quite sure that this is wrong. Could you show me where your information comes from? Anyway, if you refuse to act on my concerns, I would like that in writing from you, and then I will find a lawyer and hand it to them. "
– gnasher729
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Regardless the supervisor said 3months is too late. What should she respond to that?
– anon
6 hours ago
@anon with a lawyer
– bruglesco
6 hours ago
While what you write is true, I don't see how this answers the question as asked, namely what action OP should take. Could you edit to clarify?
– sleske
4 hours ago
1
@anon Please see my rescued answer.
– Eric
4 hours ago
6
@anon If the supervisor said "3 months is too late", then she should say "I am quite sure that this is wrong. Could you show me where your information comes from? Anyway, if you refuse to act on my concerns, I would like that in writing from you, and then I will find a lawyer and hand it to them. "
– gnasher729
3 hours ago
Regardless the supervisor said 3months is too late. What should she respond to that?
– anon
6 hours ago
Regardless the supervisor said 3months is too late. What should she respond to that?
– anon
6 hours ago
@anon with a lawyer
– bruglesco
6 hours ago
@anon with a lawyer
– bruglesco
6 hours ago
While what you write is true, I don't see how this answers the question as asked, namely what action OP should take. Could you edit to clarify?
– sleske
4 hours ago
While what you write is true, I don't see how this answers the question as asked, namely what action OP should take. Could you edit to clarify?
– sleske
4 hours ago
1
1
@anon Please see my rescued answer.
– Eric
4 hours ago
@anon Please see my rescued answer.
– Eric
4 hours ago
6
6
@anon If the supervisor said "3 months is too late", then she should say "I am quite sure that this is wrong. Could you show me where your information comes from? Anyway, if you refuse to act on my concerns, I would like that in writing from you, and then I will find a lawyer and hand it to them. "
– gnasher729
3 hours ago
@anon If the supervisor said "3 months is too late", then she should say "I am quite sure that this is wrong. Could you show me where your information comes from? Anyway, if you refuse to act on my concerns, I would like that in writing from you, and then I will find a lawyer and hand it to them. "
– gnasher729
3 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
Document all those "minor" incidents towards you and strange behavior towards children with dates and witnesses. Then approach your superiors together.
answered 7 hours ago
BigMadAndy
10.3k81951
add a comment |
Document all those "minor" incidents towards you and strange behavior towards children with dates and witnesses. Then approach your superiors together.
answered 7 hours ago
BigMadAndy
10.3k81951
add a comment |
Document all those "minor" incidents towards you and strange behavior towards children with dates and witnesses. Then approach your superiors together.
answered 7 hours ago
BigMadAndy
10.3k81951
Document all those "minor" incidents towards you and strange behavior towards children with dates and witnesses. Then approach your superiors together.
answered 7 hours ago
BigMadAndy
10.3k81951
answered 7 hours ago
BigMadAndy
10.3k81951
answered 7 hours ago
BigMadAndy
10.3k81951
answered 7 hours ago
BigMadAndy
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Just a note: The claim about the incident being "statute-barred" seems very questionable to me. At the very least the boss could formally admonish the employee (Abmahnung), there is no time limit for that. And while an immediate dismissal (fristlose Kündigung) must happen within two weeks, that's two weeks from when the employer learns about an incident. So it looks like the boss is either misinformed, or actively stalling.
– sleske
4 hours ago