How to install pre bled brakes with internally routed frame
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I have a 2017 Salsa Mukluk with an internally routed rear brake. I bought Shimano XT hydraulic brakes to replace the low end mechanicals that came on the bike. My problem is that the brakes came pre-bled. I wanted to buy them not pre-bled, but couldn't find any.
My question is, what's the best way to install the brakes? Should I completely empty the lines, internally route, cut to length, install new olive and barb and then refill with fluid? Or is there a way to keep the fluid in the lines?
Doesn't pretty much everyone need to cut the lines to length? I don't really understand why anyone would want pre-bled brakes.
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I have a 2017 Salsa Mukluk with an internally routed rear brake. I bought Shimano XT hydraulic brakes to replace the low end mechanicals that came on the bike. My problem is that the brakes came pre-bled. I wanted to buy them not pre-bled, but couldn't find any.
My question is, what's the best way to install the brakes? Should I completely empty the lines, internally route, cut to length, install new olive and barb and then refill with fluid? Or is there a way to keep the fluid in the lines?
Doesn't pretty much everyone need to cut the lines to length? I don't really understand why anyone would want pre-bled brakes.
brakes hydraulic-disc-brake cable-routing
asked 14 hours ago
Ben Mills
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I have a 2017 Salsa Mukluk with an internally routed rear brake. I bought Shimano XT hydraulic brakes to replace the low end mechanicals that came on the bike. My problem is that the brakes came pre-bled. I wanted to buy them not pre-bled, but couldn't find any.
My question is, what's the best way to install the brakes? Should I completely empty the lines, internally route, cut to length, install new olive and barb and then refill with fluid? Or is there a way to keep the fluid in the lines?
Doesn't pretty much everyone need to cut the lines to length? I don't really understand why anyone would want pre-bled brakes.
brakes hydraulic-disc-brake cable-routing
asked 14 hours ago
Ben Mills
274211
I have a 2017 Salsa Mukluk with an internally routed rear brake. I bought Shimano XT hydraulic brakes to replace the low end mechanicals that came on the bike. My problem is that the brakes came pre-bled. I wanted to buy them not pre-bled, but couldn't find any.
My question is, what's the best way to install the brakes? Should I completely empty the lines, internally route, cut to length, install new olive and barb and then refill with fluid? Or is there a way to keep the fluid in the lines?
Doesn't pretty much everyone need to cut the lines to length? I don't really understand why anyone would want pre-bled brakes.
brakes hydraulic-disc-brake cable-routing
brakes hydraulic-disc-brake cable-routing
asked 14 hours ago
Ben Mills
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asked 14 hours ago
Ben Mills
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asked 14 hours ago
Ben Mills
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asked 14 hours ago
Ben Mills
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asked 14 hours ago
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Usually what you do is disconnect it at the lever, install the lever to the bar, and run the hose up from the caliper end. Because it's sealed on the other end, no more than a few drops of fluid will escape. Then once it's through you can size the hose by turning the bars as far as they go while holding the hose up to the lever and finding the length where the hose can't get accidentally kinked. Cut it at the lever end and put on the spare barb and olive that come with the brake.
Once you have the system reconnected, in many cases you'll find there's no need to even re-bleed the brake. Since you're cutting the hose, usually the fluid will be essentially flush with the cut. Only a marginal amount of air gets introduced, and Shimano brake reservoirs are able to absorb it. (That air floats up to the reservoir in the lever and won't be in the system during braking.)
If you do want to bleed it, usually only a "gravity bleed" is all that's needed, where you skip the step of shooting oil up from the caliper and just drain it down from the cup at the lever end into the collection bag or bottle at the caliper. (Basically this is taking Shimano's written procedure and eliminating the whole first half.) The concept here is that you've only introduced air in the hose, which the gravity bleed will be well able to eliminate.
As for whether it's really better for brakes to come pre-bled, it's probably kind of a concession to giving people something they can just put on their bike and ride without needing a bleed kit or the ability to use it, etc. It's not necessarily the best way of doing things.
answered 11 hours ago
Nathan Knutson
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I didn't realize that the seal on the caliper end would hold the fluid in, but that makes sense. And I guess it's OK that a couple of drops could come out inside the frame during routing (as mineral oil is not corrosive like DOT fluid). If most of the oil stays in, then I can see how I could get any remaining air bubbles out with the simple "gravity bleed". Thanks for all the great info. I'll mark it as the accepted answer after I have a chance to try this.
– Ben Mills
9 hours ago
This answer is good, if you just additionally squeeze the lever without the rotor and pads installed you can get a little extra fluid in the line before you cut it. Only push the caliper out maybe 2mm though, if the caliper comes out too far it will fall out completely. When you push the caliper back in after reinstalling the lever (use something plastic for this), it will basically do a quick mini bleed and push any air from the cut hose up past the master cylinder.
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1 hour ago
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
5
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Usually what you do is disconnect it at the lever, install the lever to the bar, and run the hose up from the caliper end. Because it's sealed on the other end, no more than a few drops of fluid will escape. Then once it's through you can size the hose by turning the bars as far as they go while holding the hose up to the lever and finding the length where the hose can't get accidentally kinked. Cut it at the lever end and put on the spare barb and olive that come with the brake.
Once you have the system reconnected, in many cases you'll find there's no need to even re-bleed the brake. Since you're cutting the hose, usually the fluid will be essentially flush with the cut. Only a marginal amount of air gets introduced, and Shimano brake reservoirs are able to absorb it. (That air floats up to the reservoir in the lever and won't be in the system during braking.)
If you do want to bleed it, usually only a "gravity bleed" is all that's needed, where you skip the step of shooting oil up from the caliper and just drain it down from the cup at the lever end into the collection bag or bottle at the caliper. (Basically this is taking Shimano's written procedure and eliminating the whole first half.) The concept here is that you've only introduced air in the hose, which the gravity bleed will be well able to eliminate.
As for whether it's really better for brakes to come pre-bled, it's probably kind of a concession to giving people something they can just put on their bike and ride without needing a bleed kit or the ability to use it, etc. It's not necessarily the best way of doing things.
answered 11 hours ago
Nathan Knutson
22k11454
I didn't realize that the seal on the caliper end would hold the fluid in, but that makes sense. And I guess it's OK that a couple of drops could come out inside the frame during routing (as mineral oil is not corrosive like DOT fluid). If most of the oil stays in, then I can see how I could get any remaining air bubbles out with the simple "gravity bleed". Thanks for all the great info. I'll mark it as the accepted answer after I have a chance to try this.
– Ben Mills
9 hours ago
This answer is good, if you just additionally squeeze the lever without the rotor and pads installed you can get a little extra fluid in the line before you cut it. Only push the caliper out maybe 2mm though, if the caliper comes out too far it will fall out completely. When you push the caliper back in after reinstalling the lever (use something plastic for this), it will basically do a quick mini bleed and push any air from the cut hose up past the master cylinder.
– dsharlet
1 hour ago
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up vote
5
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Usually what you do is disconnect it at the lever, install the lever to the bar, and run the hose up from the caliper end. Because it's sealed on the other end, no more than a few drops of fluid will escape. Then once it's through you can size the hose by turning the bars as far as they go while holding the hose up to the lever and finding the length where the hose can't get accidentally kinked. Cut it at the lever end and put on the spare barb and olive that come with the brake.
Once you have the system reconnected, in many cases you'll find there's no need to even re-bleed the brake. Since you're cutting the hose, usually the fluid will be essentially flush with the cut. Only a marginal amount of air gets introduced, and Shimano brake reservoirs are able to absorb it. (That air floats up to the reservoir in the lever and won't be in the system during braking.)
If you do want to bleed it, usually only a "gravity bleed" is all that's needed, where you skip the step of shooting oil up from the caliper and just drain it down from the cup at the lever end into the collection bag or bottle at the caliper. (Basically this is taking Shimano's written procedure and eliminating the whole first half.) The concept here is that you've only introduced air in the hose, which the gravity bleed will be well able to eliminate.
As for whether it's really better for brakes to come pre-bled, it's probably kind of a concession to giving people something they can just put on their bike and ride without needing a bleed kit or the ability to use it, etc. It's not necessarily the best way of doing things.
answered 11 hours ago
Nathan Knutson
22k11454
I didn't realize that the seal on the caliper end would hold the fluid in, but that makes sense. And I guess it's OK that a couple of drops could come out inside the frame during routing (as mineral oil is not corrosive like DOT fluid). If most of the oil stays in, then I can see how I could get any remaining air bubbles out with the simple "gravity bleed". Thanks for all the great info. I'll mark it as the accepted answer after I have a chance to try this.
– Ben Mills
9 hours ago
This answer is good, if you just additionally squeeze the lever without the rotor and pads installed you can get a little extra fluid in the line before you cut it. Only push the caliper out maybe 2mm though, if the caliper comes out too far it will fall out completely. When you push the caliper back in after reinstalling the lever (use something plastic for this), it will basically do a quick mini bleed and push any air from the cut hose up past the master cylinder.
– dsharlet
1 hour ago
add a comment |
up vote
5
down vote
up vote
5
down vote
Usually what you do is disconnect it at the lever, install the lever to the bar, and run the hose up from the caliper end. Because it's sealed on the other end, no more than a few drops of fluid will escape. Then once it's through you can size the hose by turning the bars as far as they go while holding the hose up to the lever and finding the length where the hose can't get accidentally kinked. Cut it at the lever end and put on the spare barb and olive that come with the brake.
Once you have the system reconnected, in many cases you'll find there's no need to even re-bleed the brake. Since you're cutting the hose, usually the fluid will be essentially flush with the cut. Only a marginal amount of air gets introduced, and Shimano brake reservoirs are able to absorb it. (That air floats up to the reservoir in the lever and won't be in the system during braking.)
If you do want to bleed it, usually only a "gravity bleed" is all that's needed, where you skip the step of shooting oil up from the caliper and just drain it down from the cup at the lever end into the collection bag or bottle at the caliper. (Basically this is taking Shimano's written procedure and eliminating the whole first half.) The concept here is that you've only introduced air in the hose, which the gravity bleed will be well able to eliminate.
As for whether it's really better for brakes to come pre-bled, it's probably kind of a concession to giving people something they can just put on their bike and ride without needing a bleed kit or the ability to use it, etc. It's not necessarily the best way of doing things.
answered 11 hours ago
Nathan Knutson
22k11454
Usually what you do is disconnect it at the lever, install the lever to the bar, and run the hose up from the caliper end. Because it's sealed on the other end, no more than a few drops of fluid will escape. Then once it's through you can size the hose by turning the bars as far as they go while holding the hose up to the lever and finding the length where the hose can't get accidentally kinked. Cut it at the lever end and put on the spare barb and olive that come with the brake.
Once you have the system reconnected, in many cases you'll find there's no need to even re-bleed the brake. Since you're cutting the hose, usually the fluid will be essentially flush with the cut. Only a marginal amount of air gets introduced, and Shimano brake reservoirs are able to absorb it. (That air floats up to the reservoir in the lever and won't be in the system during braking.)
If you do want to bleed it, usually only a "gravity bleed" is all that's needed, where you skip the step of shooting oil up from the caliper and just drain it down from the cup at the lever end into the collection bag or bottle at the caliper. (Basically this is taking Shimano's written procedure and eliminating the whole first half.) The concept here is that you've only introduced air in the hose, which the gravity bleed will be well able to eliminate.
As for whether it's really better for brakes to come pre-bled, it's probably kind of a concession to giving people something they can just put on their bike and ride without needing a bleed kit or the ability to use it, etc. It's not necessarily the best way of doing things.
answered 11 hours ago
Nathan Knutson
22k11454
answered 11 hours ago
Nathan Knutson
22k11454
answered 11 hours ago
Nathan Knutson
22k11454
answered 11 hours ago
Nathan Knutson
22k11454
22k11454
I didn't realize that the seal on the caliper end would hold the fluid in, but that makes sense. And I guess it's OK that a couple of drops could come out inside the frame during routing (as mineral oil is not corrosive like DOT fluid). If most of the oil stays in, then I can see how I could get any remaining air bubbles out with the simple "gravity bleed". Thanks for all the great info. I'll mark it as the accepted answer after I have a chance to try this.
– Ben Mills
9 hours ago
This answer is good, if you just additionally squeeze the lever without the rotor and pads installed you can get a little extra fluid in the line before you cut it. Only push the caliper out maybe 2mm though, if the caliper comes out too far it will fall out completely. When you push the caliper back in after reinstalling the lever (use something plastic for this), it will basically do a quick mini bleed and push any air from the cut hose up past the master cylinder.
– dsharlet
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I didn't realize that the seal on the caliper end would hold the fluid in, but that makes sense. And I guess it's OK that a couple of drops could come out inside the frame during routing (as mineral oil is not corrosive like DOT fluid). If most of the oil stays in, then I can see how I could get any remaining air bubbles out with the simple "gravity bleed". Thanks for all the great info. I'll mark it as the accepted answer after I have a chance to try this.
– Ben Mills
9 hours ago
This answer is good, if you just additionally squeeze the lever without the rotor and pads installed you can get a little extra fluid in the line before you cut it. Only push the caliper out maybe 2mm though, if the caliper comes out too far it will fall out completely. When you push the caliper back in after reinstalling the lever (use something plastic for this), it will basically do a quick mini bleed and push any air from the cut hose up past the master cylinder.
– dsharlet
1 hour ago
I didn't realize that the seal on the caliper end would hold the fluid in, but that makes sense. And I guess it's OK that a couple of drops could come out inside the frame during routing (as mineral oil is not corrosive like DOT fluid). If most of the oil stays in, then I can see how I could get any remaining air bubbles out with the simple "gravity bleed". Thanks for all the great info. I'll mark it as the accepted answer after I have a chance to try this.
– Ben Mills
9 hours ago
I didn't realize that the seal on the caliper end would hold the fluid in, but that makes sense. And I guess it's OK that a couple of drops could come out inside the frame during routing (as mineral oil is not corrosive like DOT fluid). If most of the oil stays in, then I can see how I could get any remaining air bubbles out with the simple "gravity bleed". Thanks for all the great info. I'll mark it as the accepted answer after I have a chance to try this.
– Ben Mills
9 hours ago
This answer is good, if you just additionally squeeze the lever without the rotor and pads installed you can get a little extra fluid in the line before you cut it. Only push the caliper out maybe 2mm though, if the caliper comes out too far it will fall out completely. When you push the caliper back in after reinstalling the lever (use something plastic for this), it will basically do a quick mini bleed and push any air from the cut hose up past the master cylinder.
– dsharlet
1 hour ago
This answer is good, if you just additionally squeeze the lever without the rotor and pads installed you can get a little extra fluid in the line before you cut it. Only push the caliper out maybe 2mm though, if the caliper comes out too far it will fall out completely. When you push the caliper back in after reinstalling the lever (use something plastic for this), it will basically do a quick mini bleed and push any air from the cut hose up past the master cylinder.
– dsharlet
1 hour ago
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