What did Frank Herbert mean when he said “humans do not have equal ability”, concerning equality?












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In the "Dune Genesis" essay originally published in the July 1980 issue of Omni Magazine* Frank Herbert wrote:




"I now believe that evolution, or deevolution[sic], never ends short
of death, that no society has ever achieved an absolute pinnacle, that
all humans are not created equal. In fact, I believe attempts to
create some abstract equalization create a morass of injustices that
rebound on the equalizers. Equal justice and equal opportunity are
ideals we should seek, but we should recognize that humans administer
the ideals and that humans do not have equal ability."





  • Did he try to say that humans have not the ability to administer successfully these ideals?

  • Was he trying to say that humans doing it have not equal ideals?

  • Simply saying that some humans have not the ability to administer the ideals while others have it?

  • Or, the worst meaning to me, "some humans don't deserve equality because their lack of ability"?


PS: I think people need to know Herbert's science fiction work to know his way of thinking, however you can't ask about the writers in Science Fiction SE.



(*) Herbert, Frank (July 1980). "Dune Genesis". Omni 2 (2): p. 72. ISSN 0149-8711.










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    I would think reading the full sentence where he states that "Equal justice and equal opportunity are ideals that we should seek" rule out the last bullet point. Personally I would guess that it is simple as not everyone can do something at the same level. For example look at sports and how not everyone can make it to a professional/Olympic level regardless of the amount of training that they do.

    – Joe W
    3 hours ago






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    "ability" to do what? The "that no society has ever achieved an absolute pinnacle" prepositional clause is impossible to prove from within the system itself.

    – guest271314
    3 hours ago






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    I personally read it as we should strive to treat everyone as equal and give everyone an equal chance even though everyone does not have an equal ability to succeed.

    – Joe W
    3 hours ago






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    @LeopoldoSanczyk It depends on whom is making the judgment. The sovereign nations of Turtle Island governed themselves for thousands of years prior to European powers' military conquest of their nations. It could be posited that those sovereign nations were at their pinnacle prior to being conquered by invading military expeditions who asserted that those peoples were not exploiting the natural resources of Turtle Island properly. Alexander of Macedonia's military invasion and conquest of Ancient Egypt, too, could be considered the pinnacle of all civilizations in known history.

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    @Joe W: Yes. If I were to try to make a living as say a pro football player or rock musician (among many other possibilities), I would almost certainly starve. OTOH, I doubt many football players or rock musicians could write a decent computer program. (Note that I said MANY, and don't bring up that Queen guitarist who moonlights as a astrophysicist :-))

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    2 hours ago
















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In the "Dune Genesis" essay originally published in the July 1980 issue of Omni Magazine* Frank Herbert wrote:




"I now believe that evolution, or deevolution[sic], never ends short
of death, that no society has ever achieved an absolute pinnacle, that
all humans are not created equal. In fact, I believe attempts to
create some abstract equalization create a morass of injustices that
rebound on the equalizers. Equal justice and equal opportunity are
ideals we should seek, but we should recognize that humans administer
the ideals and that humans do not have equal ability."





  • Did he try to say that humans have not the ability to administer successfully these ideals?

  • Was he trying to say that humans doing it have not equal ideals?

  • Simply saying that some humans have not the ability to administer the ideals while others have it?

  • Or, the worst meaning to me, "some humans don't deserve equality because their lack of ability"?


PS: I think people need to know Herbert's science fiction work to know his way of thinking, however you can't ask about the writers in Science Fiction SE.



(*) Herbert, Frank (July 1980). "Dune Genesis". Omni 2 (2): p. 72. ISSN 0149-8711.










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    I would think reading the full sentence where he states that "Equal justice and equal opportunity are ideals that we should seek" rule out the last bullet point. Personally I would guess that it is simple as not everyone can do something at the same level. For example look at sports and how not everyone can make it to a professional/Olympic level regardless of the amount of training that they do.

    – Joe W
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    "ability" to do what? The "that no society has ever achieved an absolute pinnacle" prepositional clause is impossible to prove from within the system itself.

    – guest271314
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    I personally read it as we should strive to treat everyone as equal and give everyone an equal chance even though everyone does not have an equal ability to succeed.

    – Joe W
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    @LeopoldoSanczyk It depends on whom is making the judgment. The sovereign nations of Turtle Island governed themselves for thousands of years prior to European powers' military conquest of their nations. It could be posited that those sovereign nations were at their pinnacle prior to being conquered by invading military expeditions who asserted that those peoples were not exploiting the natural resources of Turtle Island properly. Alexander of Macedonia's military invasion and conquest of Ancient Egypt, too, could be considered the pinnacle of all civilizations in known history.

    – guest271314
    2 hours ago








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    @Joe W: Yes. If I were to try to make a living as say a pro football player or rock musician (among many other possibilities), I would almost certainly starve. OTOH, I doubt many football players or rock musicians could write a decent computer program. (Note that I said MANY, and don't bring up that Queen guitarist who moonlights as a astrophysicist :-))

    – jamesqf
    2 hours ago














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In the "Dune Genesis" essay originally published in the July 1980 issue of Omni Magazine* Frank Herbert wrote:




"I now believe that evolution, or deevolution[sic], never ends short
of death, that no society has ever achieved an absolute pinnacle, that
all humans are not created equal. In fact, I believe attempts to
create some abstract equalization create a morass of injustices that
rebound on the equalizers. Equal justice and equal opportunity are
ideals we should seek, but we should recognize that humans administer
the ideals and that humans do not have equal ability."





  • Did he try to say that humans have not the ability to administer successfully these ideals?

  • Was he trying to say that humans doing it have not equal ideals?

  • Simply saying that some humans have not the ability to administer the ideals while others have it?

  • Or, the worst meaning to me, "some humans don't deserve equality because their lack of ability"?


PS: I think people need to know Herbert's science fiction work to know his way of thinking, however you can't ask about the writers in Science Fiction SE.



(*) Herbert, Frank (July 1980). "Dune Genesis". Omni 2 (2): p. 72. ISSN 0149-8711.










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In the "Dune Genesis" essay originally published in the July 1980 issue of Omni Magazine* Frank Herbert wrote:




"I now believe that evolution, or deevolution[sic], never ends short
of death, that no society has ever achieved an absolute pinnacle, that
all humans are not created equal. In fact, I believe attempts to
create some abstract equalization create a morass of injustices that
rebound on the equalizers. Equal justice and equal opportunity are
ideals we should seek, but we should recognize that humans administer
the ideals and that humans do not have equal ability."





  • Did he try to say that humans have not the ability to administer successfully these ideals?

  • Was he trying to say that humans doing it have not equal ideals?

  • Simply saying that some humans have not the ability to administer the ideals while others have it?

  • Or, the worst meaning to me, "some humans don't deserve equality because their lack of ability"?


PS: I think people need to know Herbert's science fiction work to know his way of thinking, however you can't ask about the writers in Science Fiction SE.



(*) Herbert, Frank (July 1980). "Dune Genesis". Omni 2 (2): p. 72. ISSN 0149-8711.







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    I would think reading the full sentence where he states that "Equal justice and equal opportunity are ideals that we should seek" rule out the last bullet point. Personally I would guess that it is simple as not everyone can do something at the same level. For example look at sports and how not everyone can make it to a professional/Olympic level regardless of the amount of training that they do.

    – Joe W
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    "ability" to do what? The "that no society has ever achieved an absolute pinnacle" prepositional clause is impossible to prove from within the system itself.

    – guest271314
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    I personally read it as we should strive to treat everyone as equal and give everyone an equal chance even though everyone does not have an equal ability to succeed.

    – Joe W
    3 hours ago






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    @LeopoldoSanczyk It depends on whom is making the judgment. The sovereign nations of Turtle Island governed themselves for thousands of years prior to European powers' military conquest of their nations. It could be posited that those sovereign nations were at their pinnacle prior to being conquered by invading military expeditions who asserted that those peoples were not exploiting the natural resources of Turtle Island properly. Alexander of Macedonia's military invasion and conquest of Ancient Egypt, too, could be considered the pinnacle of all civilizations in known history.

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    2 hours ago








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    @Joe W: Yes. If I were to try to make a living as say a pro football player or rock musician (among many other possibilities), I would almost certainly starve. OTOH, I doubt many football players or rock musicians could write a decent computer program. (Note that I said MANY, and don't bring up that Queen guitarist who moonlights as a astrophysicist :-))

    – jamesqf
    2 hours ago














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    I would think reading the full sentence where he states that "Equal justice and equal opportunity are ideals that we should seek" rule out the last bullet point. Personally I would guess that it is simple as not everyone can do something at the same level. For example look at sports and how not everyone can make it to a professional/Olympic level regardless of the amount of training that they do.

    – Joe W
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    "ability" to do what? The "that no society has ever achieved an absolute pinnacle" prepositional clause is impossible to prove from within the system itself.

    – guest271314
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    I personally read it as we should strive to treat everyone as equal and give everyone an equal chance even though everyone does not have an equal ability to succeed.

    – Joe W
    3 hours ago






  • 1





    @LeopoldoSanczyk It depends on whom is making the judgment. The sovereign nations of Turtle Island governed themselves for thousands of years prior to European powers' military conquest of their nations. It could be posited that those sovereign nations were at their pinnacle prior to being conquered by invading military expeditions who asserted that those peoples were not exploiting the natural resources of Turtle Island properly. Alexander of Macedonia's military invasion and conquest of Ancient Egypt, too, could be considered the pinnacle of all civilizations in known history.

    – guest271314
    2 hours ago








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    @Joe W: Yes. If I were to try to make a living as say a pro football player or rock musician (among many other possibilities), I would almost certainly starve. OTOH, I doubt many football players or rock musicians could write a decent computer program. (Note that I said MANY, and don't bring up that Queen guitarist who moonlights as a astrophysicist :-))

    – jamesqf
    2 hours ago








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I would think reading the full sentence where he states that "Equal justice and equal opportunity are ideals that we should seek" rule out the last bullet point. Personally I would guess that it is simple as not everyone can do something at the same level. For example look at sports and how not everyone can make it to a professional/Olympic level regardless of the amount of training that they do.

– Joe W
3 hours ago





I would think reading the full sentence where he states that "Equal justice and equal opportunity are ideals that we should seek" rule out the last bullet point. Personally I would guess that it is simple as not everyone can do something at the same level. For example look at sports and how not everyone can make it to a professional/Olympic level regardless of the amount of training that they do.

– Joe W
3 hours ago




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"ability" to do what? The "that no society has ever achieved an absolute pinnacle" prepositional clause is impossible to prove from within the system itself.

– guest271314
3 hours ago





"ability" to do what? The "that no society has ever achieved an absolute pinnacle" prepositional clause is impossible to prove from within the system itself.

– guest271314
3 hours ago




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I personally read it as we should strive to treat everyone as equal and give everyone an equal chance even though everyone does not have an equal ability to succeed.

– Joe W
3 hours ago





I personally read it as we should strive to treat everyone as equal and give everyone an equal chance even though everyone does not have an equal ability to succeed.

– Joe W
3 hours ago




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@LeopoldoSanczyk It depends on whom is making the judgment. The sovereign nations of Turtle Island governed themselves for thousands of years prior to European powers' military conquest of their nations. It could be posited that those sovereign nations were at their pinnacle prior to being conquered by invading military expeditions who asserted that those peoples were not exploiting the natural resources of Turtle Island properly. Alexander of Macedonia's military invasion and conquest of Ancient Egypt, too, could be considered the pinnacle of all civilizations in known history.

– guest271314
2 hours ago







@LeopoldoSanczyk It depends on whom is making the judgment. The sovereign nations of Turtle Island governed themselves for thousands of years prior to European powers' military conquest of their nations. It could be posited that those sovereign nations were at their pinnacle prior to being conquered by invading military expeditions who asserted that those peoples were not exploiting the natural resources of Turtle Island properly. Alexander of Macedonia's military invasion and conquest of Ancient Egypt, too, could be considered the pinnacle of all civilizations in known history.

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@Joe W: Yes. If I were to try to make a living as say a pro football player or rock musician (among many other possibilities), I would almost certainly starve. OTOH, I doubt many football players or rock musicians could write a decent computer program. (Note that I said MANY, and don't bring up that Queen guitarist who moonlights as a astrophysicist :-))

– jamesqf
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@Joe W: Yes. If I were to try to make a living as say a pro football player or rock musician (among many other possibilities), I would almost certainly starve. OTOH, I doubt many football players or rock musicians could write a decent computer program. (Note that I said MANY, and don't bring up that Queen guitarist who moonlights as a astrophysicist :-))

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It's not an interesting quote politically or otherwise, because it's obvious.
SF writers of Herbert's generation were prone to issuing frank and chronic updates of their educational misadventures. Herbert meant that his earlier too literal reading of a certain Jeffersonian premise eventually led him to a somewhat less over-literal interpretation.
(Herbert's latter interpretation is still too literal by half**...)




Did he try to say that humans have not the ability to administer successfully these ideals?




Humans in general possess an administrative ability, but not everyone in the general populace has equal nor sufficient ability to administrate well.




Was he trying to say that humans doing it have not equal ideals?




The quote doesn't go into that. But in Herbert's fiction, ability and benign ideals don't always coincide: the villainous Vlad Harkonnen was a man of great ability but base ideals. But Herbert's novels also attempt to show that having a "good guy" running things isn't enough either -- uncritical public hero-worship of ability and benign ideals can also lead to stagnation and misery.




Simply saying that some humans have not the ability to administer the ideals while others have it?




Yes.




Or, the worst meaning to me, "some humans don't deserve equality because their lack of ability"?




No. Herbert was just saying that not everyone should administrate.





**For a better and earlier exposition of human metrics, see Burn's Is There for Honest Poverty.






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I think that Frank Herbert's points were these:




  1. Everyone is different, with different varying abilities. You might
    be good at math, I might not be. I might learn by doing, you might
    learn by reading.


  2. When people try to force people to meet a one size fits all standard
    so that everyone will be equal, it ends up creating
    injustices. Example: I'm not good at math, so I have a lower
    standard to get an accounting job, but you get a penalty applying for
    the same job because you're good at math, to make you equal with me.


  3. People should strive for equal opportunity and equal justice. Let
    us both do the best we can do to be as good at math as we can be,
    and let the whichever one of us who can do math the best get the
    accounting job. If both of us commit the same crime under the same
    circumstances, let us both be punished the same way, without respect
    to social class or other qualities that have nothing to do with the
    crime committed.


  4. Flawed human beings implement efforts toward ideals, so things
    aren't going to be perfect, and we should try the best we can to
    implement the ideals of equal opportunity and equal justice as
    fairly as we can even though we're limited imperfect human beings.


  5. Human beings don't have equal ability, so don't try to force things
    to turn out a certain way. Don't force someone who would rather be
    outside working in the forestry service to work in a so-called
    'better' job because his group is 'underrepresented'. If I'm not
    good at math, don't pressure me to be a physicist which I may find
    to be a frustrating job that I'm not very good at. Let me do what I
    want to do and what I'm good at.







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    It's not an interesting quote politically or otherwise, because it's obvious.
    SF writers of Herbert's generation were prone to issuing frank and chronic updates of their educational misadventures. Herbert meant that his earlier too literal reading of a certain Jeffersonian premise eventually led him to a somewhat less over-literal interpretation.
    (Herbert's latter interpretation is still too literal by half**...)




    Did he try to say that humans have not the ability to administer successfully these ideals?




    Humans in general possess an administrative ability, but not everyone in the general populace has equal nor sufficient ability to administrate well.




    Was he trying to say that humans doing it have not equal ideals?




    The quote doesn't go into that. But in Herbert's fiction, ability and benign ideals don't always coincide: the villainous Vlad Harkonnen was a man of great ability but base ideals. But Herbert's novels also attempt to show that having a "good guy" running things isn't enough either -- uncritical public hero-worship of ability and benign ideals can also lead to stagnation and misery.




    Simply saying that some humans have not the ability to administer the ideals while others have it?




    Yes.




    Or, the worst meaning to me, "some humans don't deserve equality because their lack of ability"?




    No. Herbert was just saying that not everyone should administrate.





    **For a better and earlier exposition of human metrics, see Burn's Is There for Honest Poverty.






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    It's not an interesting quote politically or otherwise, because it's obvious.
    SF writers of Herbert's generation were prone to issuing frank and chronic updates of their educational misadventures. Herbert meant that his earlier too literal reading of a certain Jeffersonian premise eventually led him to a somewhat less over-literal interpretation.
    (Herbert's latter interpretation is still too literal by half**...)




    Did he try to say that humans have not the ability to administer successfully these ideals?




    Humans in general possess an administrative ability, but not everyone in the general populace has equal nor sufficient ability to administrate well.




    Was he trying to say that humans doing it have not equal ideals?




    The quote doesn't go into that. But in Herbert's fiction, ability and benign ideals don't always coincide: the villainous Vlad Harkonnen was a man of great ability but base ideals. But Herbert's novels also attempt to show that having a "good guy" running things isn't enough either -- uncritical public hero-worship of ability and benign ideals can also lead to stagnation and misery.




    Simply saying that some humans have not the ability to administer the ideals while others have it?




    Yes.




    Or, the worst meaning to me, "some humans don't deserve equality because their lack of ability"?




    No. Herbert was just saying that not everyone should administrate.





    **For a better and earlier exposition of human metrics, see Burn's Is There for Honest Poverty.






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    • thanks for the links! So those 2 things "we should recognize" are related. He is saying humans will not administer the ideals perfectly, and even not close to that if the lack enough ability.

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    It's not an interesting quote politically or otherwise, because it's obvious.
    SF writers of Herbert's generation were prone to issuing frank and chronic updates of their educational misadventures. Herbert meant that his earlier too literal reading of a certain Jeffersonian premise eventually led him to a somewhat less over-literal interpretation.
    (Herbert's latter interpretation is still too literal by half**...)




    Did he try to say that humans have not the ability to administer successfully these ideals?




    Humans in general possess an administrative ability, but not everyone in the general populace has equal nor sufficient ability to administrate well.




    Was he trying to say that humans doing it have not equal ideals?




    The quote doesn't go into that. But in Herbert's fiction, ability and benign ideals don't always coincide: the villainous Vlad Harkonnen was a man of great ability but base ideals. But Herbert's novels also attempt to show that having a "good guy" running things isn't enough either -- uncritical public hero-worship of ability and benign ideals can also lead to stagnation and misery.




    Simply saying that some humans have not the ability to administer the ideals while others have it?




    Yes.




    Or, the worst meaning to me, "some humans don't deserve equality because their lack of ability"?




    No. Herbert was just saying that not everyone should administrate.





    **For a better and earlier exposition of human metrics, see Burn's Is There for Honest Poverty.






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    It's not an interesting quote politically or otherwise, because it's obvious.
    SF writers of Herbert's generation were prone to issuing frank and chronic updates of their educational misadventures. Herbert meant that his earlier too literal reading of a certain Jeffersonian premise eventually led him to a somewhat less over-literal interpretation.
    (Herbert's latter interpretation is still too literal by half**...)




    Did he try to say that humans have not the ability to administer successfully these ideals?




    Humans in general possess an administrative ability, but not everyone in the general populace has equal nor sufficient ability to administrate well.




    Was he trying to say that humans doing it have not equal ideals?




    The quote doesn't go into that. But in Herbert's fiction, ability and benign ideals don't always coincide: the villainous Vlad Harkonnen was a man of great ability but base ideals. But Herbert's novels also attempt to show that having a "good guy" running things isn't enough either -- uncritical public hero-worship of ability and benign ideals can also lead to stagnation and misery.




    Simply saying that some humans have not the ability to administer the ideals while others have it?




    Yes.




    Or, the worst meaning to me, "some humans don't deserve equality because their lack of ability"?




    No. Herbert was just saying that not everyone should administrate.





    **For a better and earlier exposition of human metrics, see Burn's Is There for Honest Poverty.







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    • thanks for the links! So those 2 things "we should recognize" are related. He is saying humans will not administer the ideals perfectly, and even not close to that if the lack enough ability.

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    • thanks for the links! So those 2 things "we should recognize" are related. He is saying humans will not administer the ideals perfectly, and even not close to that if the lack enough ability.

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    thanks for the links! So those 2 things "we should recognize" are related. He is saying humans will not administer the ideals perfectly, and even not close to that if the lack enough ability.

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    thanks for the links! So those 2 things "we should recognize" are related. He is saying humans will not administer the ideals perfectly, and even not close to that if the lack enough ability.

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    I think that Frank Herbert's points were these:




    1. Everyone is different, with different varying abilities. You might
      be good at math, I might not be. I might learn by doing, you might
      learn by reading.


    2. When people try to force people to meet a one size fits all standard
      so that everyone will be equal, it ends up creating
      injustices. Example: I'm not good at math, so I have a lower
      standard to get an accounting job, but you get a penalty applying for
      the same job because you're good at math, to make you equal with me.


    3. People should strive for equal opportunity and equal justice. Let
      us both do the best we can do to be as good at math as we can be,
      and let the whichever one of us who can do math the best get the
      accounting job. If both of us commit the same crime under the same
      circumstances, let us both be punished the same way, without respect
      to social class or other qualities that have nothing to do with the
      crime committed.


    4. Flawed human beings implement efforts toward ideals, so things
      aren't going to be perfect, and we should try the best we can to
      implement the ideals of equal opportunity and equal justice as
      fairly as we can even though we're limited imperfect human beings.


    5. Human beings don't have equal ability, so don't try to force things
      to turn out a certain way. Don't force someone who would rather be
      outside working in the forestry service to work in a so-called
      'better' job because his group is 'underrepresented'. If I'm not
      good at math, don't pressure me to be a physicist which I may find
      to be a frustrating job that I'm not very good at. Let me do what I
      want to do and what I'm good at.







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      I think that Frank Herbert's points were these:




      1. Everyone is different, with different varying abilities. You might
        be good at math, I might not be. I might learn by doing, you might
        learn by reading.


      2. When people try to force people to meet a one size fits all standard
        so that everyone will be equal, it ends up creating
        injustices. Example: I'm not good at math, so I have a lower
        standard to get an accounting job, but you get a penalty applying for
        the same job because you're good at math, to make you equal with me.


      3. People should strive for equal opportunity and equal justice. Let
        us both do the best we can do to be as good at math as we can be,
        and let the whichever one of us who can do math the best get the
        accounting job. If both of us commit the same crime under the same
        circumstances, let us both be punished the same way, without respect
        to social class or other qualities that have nothing to do with the
        crime committed.


      4. Flawed human beings implement efforts toward ideals, so things
        aren't going to be perfect, and we should try the best we can to
        implement the ideals of equal opportunity and equal justice as
        fairly as we can even though we're limited imperfect human beings.


      5. Human beings don't have equal ability, so don't try to force things
        to turn out a certain way. Don't force someone who would rather be
        outside working in the forestry service to work in a so-called
        'better' job because his group is 'underrepresented'. If I'm not
        good at math, don't pressure me to be a physicist which I may find
        to be a frustrating job that I'm not very good at. Let me do what I
        want to do and what I'm good at.







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        I think that Frank Herbert's points were these:




        1. Everyone is different, with different varying abilities. You might
          be good at math, I might not be. I might learn by doing, you might
          learn by reading.


        2. When people try to force people to meet a one size fits all standard
          so that everyone will be equal, it ends up creating
          injustices. Example: I'm not good at math, so I have a lower
          standard to get an accounting job, but you get a penalty applying for
          the same job because you're good at math, to make you equal with me.


        3. People should strive for equal opportunity and equal justice. Let
          us both do the best we can do to be as good at math as we can be,
          and let the whichever one of us who can do math the best get the
          accounting job. If both of us commit the same crime under the same
          circumstances, let us both be punished the same way, without respect
          to social class or other qualities that have nothing to do with the
          crime committed.


        4. Flawed human beings implement efforts toward ideals, so things
          aren't going to be perfect, and we should try the best we can to
          implement the ideals of equal opportunity and equal justice as
          fairly as we can even though we're limited imperfect human beings.


        5. Human beings don't have equal ability, so don't try to force things
          to turn out a certain way. Don't force someone who would rather be
          outside working in the forestry service to work in a so-called
          'better' job because his group is 'underrepresented'. If I'm not
          good at math, don't pressure me to be a physicist which I may find
          to be a frustrating job that I'm not very good at. Let me do what I
          want to do and what I'm good at.







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        I think that Frank Herbert's points were these:




        1. Everyone is different, with different varying abilities. You might
          be good at math, I might not be. I might learn by doing, you might
          learn by reading.


        2. When people try to force people to meet a one size fits all standard
          so that everyone will be equal, it ends up creating
          injustices. Example: I'm not good at math, so I have a lower
          standard to get an accounting job, but you get a penalty applying for
          the same job because you're good at math, to make you equal with me.


        3. People should strive for equal opportunity and equal justice. Let
          us both do the best we can do to be as good at math as we can be,
          and let the whichever one of us who can do math the best get the
          accounting job. If both of us commit the same crime under the same
          circumstances, let us both be punished the same way, without respect
          to social class or other qualities that have nothing to do with the
          crime committed.


        4. Flawed human beings implement efforts toward ideals, so things
          aren't going to be perfect, and we should try the best we can to
          implement the ideals of equal opportunity and equal justice as
          fairly as we can even though we're limited imperfect human beings.


        5. Human beings don't have equal ability, so don't try to force things
          to turn out a certain way. Don't force someone who would rather be
          outside working in the forestry service to work in a so-called
          'better' job because his group is 'underrepresented'. If I'm not
          good at math, don't pressure me to be a physicist which I may find
          to be a frustrating job that I'm not very good at. Let me do what I
          want to do and what I'm good at.








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