Using light as a barrier to block people without grilling them
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We know that light exerts pressure upon matter.
I'm imagining a hallway where an intense light source on one end shines towards the other end. The goal is to have the beam of light exert so much pressure that a human being cannot enter (or reach the end of) the hallway. Of course, we only want to deter the human, not to burn them to a crisp.
Would this be realistic?
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We know that light exerts pressure upon matter.
I'm imagining a hallway where an intense light source on one end shines towards the other end. The goal is to have the beam of light exert so much pressure that a human being cannot enter (or reach the end of) the hallway. Of course, we only want to deter the human, not to burn them to a crisp.
Would this be realistic?
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Naw, fam. I'm not sure what the math looks like (someone will draft that and put it into an answer, I'm sure), but that would definitely kill the person you are trying to repel.
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We know that light exerts pressure upon matter.
I'm imagining a hallway where an intense light source on one end shines towards the other end. The goal is to have the beam of light exert so much pressure that a human being cannot enter (or reach the end of) the hallway. Of course, we only want to deter the human, not to burn them to a crisp.
Would this be realistic?
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We know that light exerts pressure upon matter.
I'm imagining a hallway where an intense light source on one end shines towards the other end. The goal is to have the beam of light exert so much pressure that a human being cannot enter (or reach the end of) the hallway. Of course, we only want to deter the human, not to burn them to a crisp.
Would this be realistic?
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Naw, fam. I'm not sure what the math looks like (someone will draft that and put it into an answer, I'm sure), but that would definitely kill the person you are trying to repel.
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Naw, fam. I'm not sure what the math looks like (someone will draft that and put it into an answer, I'm sure), but that would definitely kill the person you are trying to repel.
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Naw, fam. I'm not sure what the math looks like (someone will draft that and put it into an answer, I'm sure), but that would definitely kill the person you are trying to repel.
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Naw, fam. I'm not sure what the math looks like (someone will draft that and put it into an answer, I'm sure), but that would definitely kill the person you are trying to repel.
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No, it won't be realistic.
The radiation pressure produced by an electromagnetic radiation of intensity, or better irradiance, $I_f$ impinging at an angle $alpha$ on a surface can be calculated according to
$P_{Inc}=$$I_f over c$$cdot cos^2 alpha$
where c is the speed of light.
You immediately see that, due to the c factor, you need huge irradiance to get meaningful pressures at human scale. Let's say you want to achieve $1 N/m^2$, you would need an irradiance of about $3 cdot 10^8 W/m^2$. That would char any human on which it impinges.
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No
It's true that light exerts a pressure, but photons have no mass. You're dealing with pressure created by a distribution of energy, which is miniscule.
If you think about it, your skin burns on a beach — but you don't feel even the slightest pressure from the light that's burning you.
Now increase the light such that you could feel the pressure. You'd flash into a fine ash before you could comprehend that you were feeling pressure.
But!
What if you change your goal just a bit? What if the original intent of the light was to flash-burn anyone trying to get down the hall? Your protagonish knows this and dresses accordingly in attire that protects he/she from the burning properties of the light. And yet, as he/she walks down the hall, feels the pressure! pressure that's great enough to hinder progress! That would be a cool twist to the story.
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Not with light pressure. You need 300 megawatts of radiation flux for each Newton of force on the object (equivalent to the force exerted by a ~100 gram weight).
However, you can use microwaves as non-lethal deterrent. A moderate microwave flux is extremely painful on skin, well before it becomes damaging. This is the basis of several experimental crowd control weapons in real life, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
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No, it won't be realistic.
The radiation pressure produced by an electromagnetic radiation of intensity, or better irradiance, $I_f$ impinging at an angle $alpha$ on a surface can be calculated according to
$P_{Inc}=$$I_f over c$$cdot cos^2 alpha$
where c is the speed of light.
You immediately see that, due to the c factor, you need huge irradiance to get meaningful pressures at human scale. Let's say you want to achieve $1 N/m^2$, you would need an irradiance of about $3 cdot 10^8 W/m^2$. That would char any human on which it impinges.
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No, it won't be realistic.
The radiation pressure produced by an electromagnetic radiation of intensity, or better irradiance, $I_f$ impinging at an angle $alpha$ on a surface can be calculated according to
$P_{Inc}=$$I_f over c$$cdot cos^2 alpha$
where c is the speed of light.
You immediately see that, due to the c factor, you need huge irradiance to get meaningful pressures at human scale. Let's say you want to achieve $1 N/m^2$, you would need an irradiance of about $3 cdot 10^8 W/m^2$. That would char any human on which it impinges.
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No, it won't be realistic.
The radiation pressure produced by an electromagnetic radiation of intensity, or better irradiance, $I_f$ impinging at an angle $alpha$ on a surface can be calculated according to
$P_{Inc}=$$I_f over c$$cdot cos^2 alpha$
where c is the speed of light.
You immediately see that, due to the c factor, you need huge irradiance to get meaningful pressures at human scale. Let's say you want to achieve $1 N/m^2$, you would need an irradiance of about $3 cdot 10^8 W/m^2$. That would char any human on which it impinges.
answered 2 hours ago
L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
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No, it won't be realistic.
The radiation pressure produced by an electromagnetic radiation of intensity, or better irradiance, $I_f$ impinging at an angle $alpha$ on a surface can be calculated according to
$P_{Inc}=$$I_f over c$$cdot cos^2 alpha$
where c is the speed of light.
You immediately see that, due to the c factor, you need huge irradiance to get meaningful pressures at human scale. Let's say you want to achieve $1 N/m^2$, you would need an irradiance of about $3 cdot 10^8 W/m^2$. That would char any human on which it impinges.
answered 2 hours ago
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No
It's true that light exerts a pressure, but photons have no mass. You're dealing with pressure created by a distribution of energy, which is miniscule.
If you think about it, your skin burns on a beach — but you don't feel even the slightest pressure from the light that's burning you.
Now increase the light such that you could feel the pressure. You'd flash into a fine ash before you could comprehend that you were feeling pressure.
But!
What if you change your goal just a bit? What if the original intent of the light was to flash-burn anyone trying to get down the hall? Your protagonish knows this and dresses accordingly in attire that protects he/she from the burning properties of the light. And yet, as he/she walks down the hall, feels the pressure! pressure that's great enough to hinder progress! That would be a cool twist to the story.
answered 1 hour ago
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No
It's true that light exerts a pressure, but photons have no mass. You're dealing with pressure created by a distribution of energy, which is miniscule.
If you think about it, your skin burns on a beach — but you don't feel even the slightest pressure from the light that's burning you.
Now increase the light such that you could feel the pressure. You'd flash into a fine ash before you could comprehend that you were feeling pressure.
But!
What if you change your goal just a bit? What if the original intent of the light was to flash-burn anyone trying to get down the hall? Your protagonish knows this and dresses accordingly in attire that protects he/she from the burning properties of the light. And yet, as he/she walks down the hall, feels the pressure! pressure that's great enough to hinder progress! That would be a cool twist to the story.
answered 1 hour ago
JBHJBH
41k590195
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No
It's true that light exerts a pressure, but photons have no mass. You're dealing with pressure created by a distribution of energy, which is miniscule.
If you think about it, your skin burns on a beach — but you don't feel even the slightest pressure from the light that's burning you.
Now increase the light such that you could feel the pressure. You'd flash into a fine ash before you could comprehend that you were feeling pressure.
But!
What if you change your goal just a bit? What if the original intent of the light was to flash-burn anyone trying to get down the hall? Your protagonish knows this and dresses accordingly in attire that protects he/she from the burning properties of the light. And yet, as he/she walks down the hall, feels the pressure! pressure that's great enough to hinder progress! That would be a cool twist to the story.
answered 1 hour ago
JBHJBH
41k590195
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No
It's true that light exerts a pressure, but photons have no mass. You're dealing with pressure created by a distribution of energy, which is miniscule.
If you think about it, your skin burns on a beach — but you don't feel even the slightest pressure from the light that's burning you.
Now increase the light such that you could feel the pressure. You'd flash into a fine ash before you could comprehend that you were feeling pressure.
But!
What if you change your goal just a bit? What if the original intent of the light was to flash-burn anyone trying to get down the hall? Your protagonish knows this and dresses accordingly in attire that protects he/she from the burning properties of the light. And yet, as he/she walks down the hall, feels the pressure! pressure that's great enough to hinder progress! That would be a cool twist to the story.
answered 1 hour ago
JBHJBH
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JBHJBH
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Not with light pressure. You need 300 megawatts of radiation flux for each Newton of force on the object (equivalent to the force exerted by a ~100 gram weight).
However, you can use microwaves as non-lethal deterrent. A moderate microwave flux is extremely painful on skin, well before it becomes damaging. This is the basis of several experimental crowd control weapons in real life, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
answered 1 hour ago
tylisirntylisirn
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Not with light pressure. You need 300 megawatts of radiation flux for each Newton of force on the object (equivalent to the force exerted by a ~100 gram weight).
However, you can use microwaves as non-lethal deterrent. A moderate microwave flux is extremely painful on skin, well before it becomes damaging. This is the basis of several experimental crowd control weapons in real life, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
answered 1 hour ago
tylisirntylisirn
30912
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Not with light pressure. You need 300 megawatts of radiation flux for each Newton of force on the object (equivalent to the force exerted by a ~100 gram weight).
However, you can use microwaves as non-lethal deterrent. A moderate microwave flux is extremely painful on skin, well before it becomes damaging. This is the basis of several experimental crowd control weapons in real life, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
answered 1 hour ago
tylisirntylisirn
30912
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Not with light pressure. You need 300 megawatts of radiation flux for each Newton of force on the object (equivalent to the force exerted by a ~100 gram weight).
However, you can use microwaves as non-lethal deterrent. A moderate microwave flux is extremely painful on skin, well before it becomes damaging. This is the basis of several experimental crowd control weapons in real life, such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
answered 1 hour ago
tylisirntylisirn
30912
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Naw, fam. I'm not sure what the math looks like (someone will draft that and put it into an answer, I'm sure), but that would definitely kill the person you are trying to repel.
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