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A much much weaker idea similar to the P=NP question, is there a decision problem that can be verified in $O(n^2)$ time, but it can be proven that there is no algorithm that decides it $O(n^2)$ time?






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    In what model of computation?
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    @CurtisF if it matters then please write that up as an answer. I was under the impression that that sort of thing didn't matter within reason, or else how can one ask "does P=NP"?
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    @while1fork. It does matter if you're giving precise timing estimates, like $O(n^2)$.
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A much much weaker idea similar to the P=NP question, is there a decision problem that can be verified in $O(n^2)$ time, but it can be proven that there is no algorithm that decides it $O(n^2)$ time?






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    In what model of computation?
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    @CurtisF if it matters then please write that up as an answer. I was under the impression that that sort of thing didn't matter within reason, or else how can one ask "does P=NP"?
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A much much weaker idea similar to the P=NP question, is there a decision problem that can be verified in $O(n^2)$ time, but it can be proven that there is no algorithm that decides it $O(n^2)$ time?






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    In what model of computation?
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    @CurtisF if it matters then please write that up as an answer. I was under the impression that that sort of thing didn't matter within reason, or else how can one ask "does P=NP"?
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    @while1fork. It does matter if you're giving precise timing estimates, like $O(n^2)$.
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  • $begingroup$
    In what model of computation?
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    – Curtis F
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    @CurtisF if it matters then please write that up as an answer. I was under the impression that that sort of thing didn't matter within reason, or else how can one ask "does P=NP"?
    $endgroup$
    – while1fork
    3 hours ago






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    @while1fork. It does matter if you're giving precise timing estimates, like $O(n^2)$.
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    – Rick Decker
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$begingroup$
In what model of computation?
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– Curtis F
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In what model of computation?
$endgroup$
– Curtis F
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$begingroup$
@CurtisF if it matters then please write that up as an answer. I was under the impression that that sort of thing didn't matter within reason, or else how can one ask "does P=NP"?
$endgroup$
– while1fork
3 hours ago




$begingroup$
@CurtisF if it matters then please write that up as an answer. I was under the impression that that sort of thing didn't matter within reason, or else how can one ask "does P=NP"?
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– while1fork
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@while1fork. It does matter if you're giving precise timing estimates, like $O(n^2)$.
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– Rick Decker
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@while1fork. It does matter if you're giving precise timing estimates, like $O(n^2)$.
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The answer depends a lot on the model of computation.



On one extreme: in the decision tree model, many lower bounds can be proven. For instance, consider the 3SUM problem. You can verify an alleged solution to the 3SUM problem in $O(n)$ time, but it's conjectured that no algorithm can solve the 3SUM problem in $O(n^{2-epsilon})$ time for any $epsilon>0$. One can prove this holds in some version of the algebraic decision tree model; one can prove that any algorithm to solve it in this model must take $Omega(n^2)$ time. This provides a gap of $O(n^2)$ vs $O(n)$ for solving vs verifying solutions, if the verifier is limited to the algebraic decision tree model. This is a pretty limited result; in this case, the model means that we're restricting attention to algorithms of a particular form. So, it doesn't rule out the possibility of some other algorithm (that does something weird) being faster.



On the other extreme: if we allow arbitrary (non-uniform) boolean circuits, then there is no explicitly stated function $f$ on $n$ bits where we can currently prove that every circuit for computing $f$ needs $ge 3.1n$ gates. In other words, this is saying that we have no clue how to prove lower bounds for circuits. Roughly speaking, we have no known result of a problem where we can prove that solving it requires circuits of size $omega(n)$. See, e.g., https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/a/8005/5038 and https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/21400/5038. So, given our current state of knowledge, we have no hope of proving a result like that if the model of computation is unrestricted boolean circuits.






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    The answer depends a lot on the model of computation.



    On one extreme: in the decision tree model, many lower bounds can be proven. For instance, consider the 3SUM problem. You can verify an alleged solution to the 3SUM problem in $O(n)$ time, but it's conjectured that no algorithm can solve the 3SUM problem in $O(n^{2-epsilon})$ time for any $epsilon>0$. One can prove this holds in some version of the algebraic decision tree model; one can prove that any algorithm to solve it in this model must take $Omega(n^2)$ time. This provides a gap of $O(n^2)$ vs $O(n)$ for solving vs verifying solutions, if the verifier is limited to the algebraic decision tree model. This is a pretty limited result; in this case, the model means that we're restricting attention to algorithms of a particular form. So, it doesn't rule out the possibility of some other algorithm (that does something weird) being faster.



    On the other extreme: if we allow arbitrary (non-uniform) boolean circuits, then there is no explicitly stated function $f$ on $n$ bits where we can currently prove that every circuit for computing $f$ needs $ge 3.1n$ gates. In other words, this is saying that we have no clue how to prove lower bounds for circuits. Roughly speaking, we have no known result of a problem where we can prove that solving it requires circuits of size $omega(n)$. See, e.g., https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/a/8005/5038 and https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/21400/5038. So, given our current state of knowledge, we have no hope of proving a result like that if the model of computation is unrestricted boolean circuits.






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      The answer depends a lot on the model of computation.



      On one extreme: in the decision tree model, many lower bounds can be proven. For instance, consider the 3SUM problem. You can verify an alleged solution to the 3SUM problem in $O(n)$ time, but it's conjectured that no algorithm can solve the 3SUM problem in $O(n^{2-epsilon})$ time for any $epsilon>0$. One can prove this holds in some version of the algebraic decision tree model; one can prove that any algorithm to solve it in this model must take $Omega(n^2)$ time. This provides a gap of $O(n^2)$ vs $O(n)$ for solving vs verifying solutions, if the verifier is limited to the algebraic decision tree model. This is a pretty limited result; in this case, the model means that we're restricting attention to algorithms of a particular form. So, it doesn't rule out the possibility of some other algorithm (that does something weird) being faster.



      On the other extreme: if we allow arbitrary (non-uniform) boolean circuits, then there is no explicitly stated function $f$ on $n$ bits where we can currently prove that every circuit for computing $f$ needs $ge 3.1n$ gates. In other words, this is saying that we have no clue how to prove lower bounds for circuits. Roughly speaking, we have no known result of a problem where we can prove that solving it requires circuits of size $omega(n)$. See, e.g., https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/a/8005/5038 and https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/21400/5038. So, given our current state of knowledge, we have no hope of proving a result like that if the model of computation is unrestricted boolean circuits.






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        The answer depends a lot on the model of computation.



        On one extreme: in the decision tree model, many lower bounds can be proven. For instance, consider the 3SUM problem. You can verify an alleged solution to the 3SUM problem in $O(n)$ time, but it's conjectured that no algorithm can solve the 3SUM problem in $O(n^{2-epsilon})$ time for any $epsilon>0$. One can prove this holds in some version of the algebraic decision tree model; one can prove that any algorithm to solve it in this model must take $Omega(n^2)$ time. This provides a gap of $O(n^2)$ vs $O(n)$ for solving vs verifying solutions, if the verifier is limited to the algebraic decision tree model. This is a pretty limited result; in this case, the model means that we're restricting attention to algorithms of a particular form. So, it doesn't rule out the possibility of some other algorithm (that does something weird) being faster.



        On the other extreme: if we allow arbitrary (non-uniform) boolean circuits, then there is no explicitly stated function $f$ on $n$ bits where we can currently prove that every circuit for computing $f$ needs $ge 3.1n$ gates. In other words, this is saying that we have no clue how to prove lower bounds for circuits. Roughly speaking, we have no known result of a problem where we can prove that solving it requires circuits of size $omega(n)$. See, e.g., https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/a/8005/5038 and https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/21400/5038. So, given our current state of knowledge, we have no hope of proving a result like that if the model of computation is unrestricted boolean circuits.






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        The answer depends a lot on the model of computation.



        On one extreme: in the decision tree model, many lower bounds can be proven. For instance, consider the 3SUM problem. You can verify an alleged solution to the 3SUM problem in $O(n)$ time, but it's conjectured that no algorithm can solve the 3SUM problem in $O(n^{2-epsilon})$ time for any $epsilon>0$. One can prove this holds in some version of the algebraic decision tree model; one can prove that any algorithm to solve it in this model must take $Omega(n^2)$ time. This provides a gap of $O(n^2)$ vs $O(n)$ for solving vs verifying solutions, if the verifier is limited to the algebraic decision tree model. This is a pretty limited result; in this case, the model means that we're restricting attention to algorithms of a particular form. So, it doesn't rule out the possibility of some other algorithm (that does something weird) being faster.



        On the other extreme: if we allow arbitrary (non-uniform) boolean circuits, then there is no explicitly stated function $f$ on $n$ bits where we can currently prove that every circuit for computing $f$ needs $ge 3.1n$ gates. In other words, this is saying that we have no clue how to prove lower bounds for circuits. Roughly speaking, we have no known result of a problem where we can prove that solving it requires circuits of size $omega(n)$. See, e.g., https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/a/8005/5038 and https://cstheory.stackexchange.com/q/21400/5038. So, given our current state of knowledge, we have no hope of proving a result like that if the model of computation is unrestricted boolean circuits.







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