What makes game 5 of the World Championship a draw?
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I was watching recently the excellent ChessNetwork commentary of the 5th game of the WCC 2018 between Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana. The end position is the following:
[FEN "8/5R2/5bp1/3rpk1p/8/4B2P/5PP1/5K2 w - - 0 1"]
There is not much to grip onto on either side for sure, but it doesn't strike me as a draw either. The line I get with Stockfish is not straight forward.
{ [Stockfish 280218 64 POPCNT] 68:+0.00} 1...Ke6 2.Ra7 Rd6 3.Ke2
hxg4 4.hxg4 Rc6 5.f3 Bd8 6.Rg7 Kf6 7.Rg8 Bb6 8.Bh6 Rd6 9.Rf8+ Ke6 10.
Re8+ Kd5 11.Be3 Bd8 12.f4 exf4 13.Bxf4 Re6+ 14.Rxe6 Kxe6 15.Kd3 Kd5
16.Ke3 Be7 17.Kd3 Bb4 18.Ke3 Bc5+ 19.Kf3 Be7 20.Be3 Bd8 21.Bf4 Be7
Is there any simple explanation why this position appears as an obvious draw other than a lack of goals to pursue on both sides?
draw world-championship
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I was watching recently the excellent ChessNetwork commentary of the 5th game of the WCC 2018 between Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana. The end position is the following:
[FEN "8/5R2/5bp1/3rpk1p/8/4B2P/5PP1/5K2 w - - 0 1"]
There is not much to grip onto on either side for sure, but it doesn't strike me as a draw either. The line I get with Stockfish is not straight forward.
{ [Stockfish 280218 64 POPCNT] 68:+0.00} 1...Ke6 2.Ra7 Rd6 3.Ke2
hxg4 4.hxg4 Rc6 5.f3 Bd8 6.Rg7 Kf6 7.Rg8 Bb6 8.Bh6 Rd6 9.Rf8+ Ke6 10.
Re8+ Kd5 11.Be3 Bd8 12.f4 exf4 13.Bxf4 Re6+ 14.Rxe6 Kxe6 15.Kd3 Kd5
16.Ke3 Be7 17.Kd3 Bb4 18.Ke3 Bc5+ 19.Kf3 Be7 20.Be3 Bd8 21.Bf4 Be7
Is there any simple explanation why this position appears as an obvious draw other than a lack of goals to pursue on both sides?
draw world-championship
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I was watching recently the excellent ChessNetwork commentary of the 5th game of the WCC 2018 between Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana. The end position is the following:
[FEN "8/5R2/5bp1/3rpk1p/8/4B2P/5PP1/5K2 w - - 0 1"]
There is not much to grip onto on either side for sure, but it doesn't strike me as a draw either. The line I get with Stockfish is not straight forward.
{ [Stockfish 280218 64 POPCNT] 68:+0.00} 1...Ke6 2.Ra7 Rd6 3.Ke2
hxg4 4.hxg4 Rc6 5.f3 Bd8 6.Rg7 Kf6 7.Rg8 Bb6 8.Bh6 Rd6 9.Rf8+ Ke6 10.
Re8+ Kd5 11.Be3 Bd8 12.f4 exf4 13.Bxf4 Re6+ 14.Rxe6 Kxe6 15.Kd3 Kd5
16.Ke3 Be7 17.Kd3 Bb4 18.Ke3 Bc5+ 19.Kf3 Be7 20.Be3 Bd8 21.Bf4 Be7
Is there any simple explanation why this position appears as an obvious draw other than a lack of goals to pursue on both sides?
draw world-championship
I was watching recently the excellent ChessNetwork commentary of the 5th game of the WCC 2018 between Magnus Carlsen and Fabiano Caruana. The end position is the following:
[FEN "8/5R2/5bp1/3rpk1p/8/4B2P/5PP1/5K2 w - - 0 1"]
There is not much to grip onto on either side for sure, but it doesn't strike me as a draw either. The line I get with Stockfish is not straight forward.
{ [Stockfish 280218 64 POPCNT] 68:+0.00} 1...Ke6 2.Ra7 Rd6 3.Ke2
hxg4 4.hxg4 Rc6 5.f3 Bd8 6.Rg7 Kf6 7.Rg8 Bb6 8.Bh6 Rd6 9.Rf8+ Ke6 10.
Re8+ Kd5 11.Be3 Bd8 12.f4 exf4 13.Bxf4 Re6+ 14.Rxe6 Kxe6 15.Kd3 Kd5
16.Ke3 Be7 17.Kd3 Bb4 18.Ke3 Bc5+ 19.Kf3 Be7 20.Be3 Bd8 21.Bf4 Be7
Is there any simple explanation why this position appears as an obvious draw other than a lack of goals to pursue on both sides?
draw world-championship
draw world-championship
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Computer engines are of little use in positions like this. Still it is a pretty obvious draw, because of:
- equal (and very limited) material
- pawns on the same side of the board
- no weaknesses for either player
- active and safe kings
In order to win this, one would have to win material or promote a pawn, neither of which can be forced.
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Some points to consider:
- No passed pawn
- All rook endgames with equal number of pawns in its own half are drawn (I do not know if this is a theorem, but it is almost a theorem).
- One of the players can probably force exchange of bishops and get it to rook endgame with equal number of pawns.
- Both players are 2800+ and it is a classical game, so enough time to think and make the right moves.
EDIT: You can look at the game discussed here, where one side has Rook along with 'a' and 'c' pawns, while the other side just has a rook and the game is still a draw.
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Computer engines are of little use in positions like this. Still it is a pretty obvious draw, because of:
- equal (and very limited) material
- pawns on the same side of the board
- no weaknesses for either player
- active and safe kings
In order to win this, one would have to win material or promote a pawn, neither of which can be forced.
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Computer engines are of little use in positions like this. Still it is a pretty obvious draw, because of:
- equal (and very limited) material
- pawns on the same side of the board
- no weaknesses for either player
- active and safe kings
In order to win this, one would have to win material or promote a pawn, neither of which can be forced.
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Computer engines are of little use in positions like this. Still it is a pretty obvious draw, because of:
- equal (and very limited) material
- pawns on the same side of the board
- no weaknesses for either player
- active and safe kings
In order to win this, one would have to win material or promote a pawn, neither of which can be forced.
Computer engines are of little use in positions like this. Still it is a pretty obvious draw, because of:
- equal (and very limited) material
- pawns on the same side of the board
- no weaknesses for either player
- active and safe kings
In order to win this, one would have to win material or promote a pawn, neither of which can be forced.
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Some points to consider:
- No passed pawn
- All rook endgames with equal number of pawns in its own half are drawn (I do not know if this is a theorem, but it is almost a theorem).
- One of the players can probably force exchange of bishops and get it to rook endgame with equal number of pawns.
- Both players are 2800+ and it is a classical game, so enough time to think and make the right moves.
EDIT: You can look at the game discussed here, where one side has Rook along with 'a' and 'c' pawns, while the other side just has a rook and the game is still a draw.
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Some points to consider:
- No passed pawn
- All rook endgames with equal number of pawns in its own half are drawn (I do not know if this is a theorem, but it is almost a theorem).
- One of the players can probably force exchange of bishops and get it to rook endgame with equal number of pawns.
- Both players are 2800+ and it is a classical game, so enough time to think and make the right moves.
EDIT: You can look at the game discussed here, where one side has Rook along with 'a' and 'c' pawns, while the other side just has a rook and the game is still a draw.
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Some points to consider:
- No passed pawn
- All rook endgames with equal number of pawns in its own half are drawn (I do not know if this is a theorem, but it is almost a theorem).
- One of the players can probably force exchange of bishops and get it to rook endgame with equal number of pawns.
- Both players are 2800+ and it is a classical game, so enough time to think and make the right moves.
EDIT: You can look at the game discussed here, where one side has Rook along with 'a' and 'c' pawns, while the other side just has a rook and the game is still a draw.
Some points to consider:
- No passed pawn
- All rook endgames with equal number of pawns in its own half are drawn (I do not know if this is a theorem, but it is almost a theorem).
- One of the players can probably force exchange of bishops and get it to rook endgame with equal number of pawns.
- Both players are 2800+ and it is a classical game, so enough time to think and make the right moves.
EDIT: You can look at the game discussed here, where one side has Rook along with 'a' and 'c' pawns, while the other side just has a rook and the game is still a draw.
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