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What is the purpose of the self word in Python? I understand it refers to the specific object created from that class, but I can't see why it explicitly needs to be added to every function as a parameter. To illustrate, in Ruby I can do this:



class myClass
def myFunc(name)
@name = name
end
end


Which I understand, quite easily. However in Python I need to include self:



class myClass:
def myFunc(self, name):
self.name = name


Can anyone talk me through this? It is not something I've come across in my (admittedly limited) experience.










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    You may find interesting this essay "Why explicit self has to stay" by Guido van Rossum: neopythonic.blogspot.com/2008/10/…

    – unutbu
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    See also "Why must 'self' be used explicitly in method definitions and calls": docs.python.org/faq/…

    – unutbu
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    "Which i understand, quite easily" --- Quite subjective, don't you think? What makes @name more intuitive than self.name? The latter, IMO, is more intuitive.

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    That's the key difference between a function and a class method. A function is floating free, unencumbered. A class (instance) method has to be aware of it's parent (and parent properties) so you need to pass the method a reference to the parent class (as self). It's just one less implicit rule that you have to internalize before understanding OOP. Other languages choose syntactic sugar over semantic simplicity, python isn't other languages.

    – Evan Plaice
    Jan 17 '12 at 6:59






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    I don't think "explicit is better than implicit" really explains this design choice well. @foo and self.foo are equally explicit as no implicit resolution needs to occur (e.g. in C++, instance members can be "implicitly" accessed without "explicitly" using namespaces). The only difference is that Ruby introduces a new semantic (@), while Python does not. Whether or not a new semantic was worth the amount of verbosity avoided is purely subjective. Though, it should be noted that most modern languages choose to introduce a concept here (e.g. php's $this, JS's this).

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What is the purpose of the self word in Python? I understand it refers to the specific object created from that class, but I can't see why it explicitly needs to be added to every function as a parameter. To illustrate, in Ruby I can do this:



class myClass
def myFunc(name)
@name = name
end
end


Which I understand, quite easily. However in Python I need to include self:



class myClass:
def myFunc(self, name):
self.name = name


Can anyone talk me through this? It is not something I've come across in my (admittedly limited) experience.










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    You may find interesting this essay "Why explicit self has to stay" by Guido van Rossum: neopythonic.blogspot.com/2008/10/…

    – unutbu
    Apr 25 '10 at 20:35






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    See also "Why must 'self' be used explicitly in method definitions and calls": docs.python.org/faq/…

    – unutbu
    Apr 25 '10 at 20:38






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    "Which i understand, quite easily" --- Quite subjective, don't you think? What makes @name more intuitive than self.name? The latter, IMO, is more intuitive.

    – Santa
    Apr 28 '10 at 0:12








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    That's the key difference between a function and a class method. A function is floating free, unencumbered. A class (instance) method has to be aware of it's parent (and parent properties) so you need to pass the method a reference to the parent class (as self). It's just one less implicit rule that you have to internalize before understanding OOP. Other languages choose syntactic sugar over semantic simplicity, python isn't other languages.

    – Evan Plaice
    Jan 17 '12 at 6:59






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    I don't think "explicit is better than implicit" really explains this design choice well. @foo and self.foo are equally explicit as no implicit resolution needs to occur (e.g. in C++, instance members can be "implicitly" accessed without "explicitly" using namespaces). The only difference is that Ruby introduces a new semantic (@), while Python does not. Whether or not a new semantic was worth the amount of verbosity avoided is purely subjective. Though, it should be noted that most modern languages choose to introduce a concept here (e.g. php's $this, JS's this).

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What is the purpose of the self word in Python? I understand it refers to the specific object created from that class, but I can't see why it explicitly needs to be added to every function as a parameter. To illustrate, in Ruby I can do this:



class myClass
def myFunc(name)
@name = name
end
end


Which I understand, quite easily. However in Python I need to include self:



class myClass:
def myFunc(self, name):
self.name = name


Can anyone talk me through this? It is not something I've come across in my (admittedly limited) experience.










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What is the purpose of the self word in Python? I understand it refers to the specific object created from that class, but I can't see why it explicitly needs to be added to every function as a parameter. To illustrate, in Ruby I can do this:



class myClass
def myFunc(name)
@name = name
end
end


Which I understand, quite easily. However in Python I need to include self:



class myClass:
def myFunc(self, name):
self.name = name


Can anyone talk me through this? It is not something I've come across in my (admittedly limited) experience.







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    You may find interesting this essay "Why explicit self has to stay" by Guido van Rossum: neopythonic.blogspot.com/2008/10/…

    – unutbu
    Apr 25 '10 at 20:35






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    See also "Why must 'self' be used explicitly in method definitions and calls": docs.python.org/faq/…

    – unutbu
    Apr 25 '10 at 20:38






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    "Which i understand, quite easily" --- Quite subjective, don't you think? What makes @name more intuitive than self.name? The latter, IMO, is more intuitive.

    – Santa
    Apr 28 '10 at 0:12








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    That's the key difference between a function and a class method. A function is floating free, unencumbered. A class (instance) method has to be aware of it's parent (and parent properties) so you need to pass the method a reference to the parent class (as self). It's just one less implicit rule that you have to internalize before understanding OOP. Other languages choose syntactic sugar over semantic simplicity, python isn't other languages.

    – Evan Plaice
    Jan 17 '12 at 6:59






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    I don't think "explicit is better than implicit" really explains this design choice well. @foo and self.foo are equally explicit as no implicit resolution needs to occur (e.g. in C++, instance members can be "implicitly" accessed without "explicitly" using namespaces). The only difference is that Ruby introduces a new semantic (@), while Python does not. Whether or not a new semantic was worth the amount of verbosity avoided is purely subjective. Though, it should be noted that most modern languages choose to introduce a concept here (e.g. php's $this, JS's this).

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    You may find interesting this essay "Why explicit self has to stay" by Guido van Rossum: neopythonic.blogspot.com/2008/10/…

    – unutbu
    Apr 25 '10 at 20:35






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    See also "Why must 'self' be used explicitly in method definitions and calls": docs.python.org/faq/…

    – unutbu
    Apr 25 '10 at 20:38






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    "Which i understand, quite easily" --- Quite subjective, don't you think? What makes @name more intuitive than self.name? The latter, IMO, is more intuitive.

    – Santa
    Apr 28 '10 at 0:12








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    That's the key difference between a function and a class method. A function is floating free, unencumbered. A class (instance) method has to be aware of it's parent (and parent properties) so you need to pass the method a reference to the parent class (as self). It's just one less implicit rule that you have to internalize before understanding OOP. Other languages choose syntactic sugar over semantic simplicity, python isn't other languages.

    – Evan Plaice
    Jan 17 '12 at 6:59






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    I don't think "explicit is better than implicit" really explains this design choice well. @foo and self.foo are equally explicit as no implicit resolution needs to occur (e.g. in C++, instance members can be "implicitly" accessed without "explicitly" using namespaces). The only difference is that Ruby introduces a new semantic (@), while Python does not. Whether or not a new semantic was worth the amount of verbosity avoided is purely subjective. Though, it should be noted that most modern languages choose to introduce a concept here (e.g. php's $this, JS's this).

    – Jing
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You may find interesting this essay "Why explicit self has to stay" by Guido van Rossum: neopythonic.blogspot.com/2008/10/…

– unutbu
Apr 25 '10 at 20:35





You may find interesting this essay "Why explicit self has to stay" by Guido van Rossum: neopythonic.blogspot.com/2008/10/…

– unutbu
Apr 25 '10 at 20:35




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See also "Why must 'self' be used explicitly in method definitions and calls": docs.python.org/faq/…

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See also "Why must 'self' be used explicitly in method definitions and calls": docs.python.org/faq/…

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"Which i understand, quite easily" --- Quite subjective, don't you think? What makes @name more intuitive than self.name? The latter, IMO, is more intuitive.

– Santa
Apr 28 '10 at 0:12







"Which i understand, quite easily" --- Quite subjective, don't you think? What makes @name more intuitive than self.name? The latter, IMO, is more intuitive.

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That's the key difference between a function and a class method. A function is floating free, unencumbered. A class (instance) method has to be aware of it's parent (and parent properties) so you need to pass the method a reference to the parent class (as self). It's just one less implicit rule that you have to internalize before understanding OOP. Other languages choose syntactic sugar over semantic simplicity, python isn't other languages.

– Evan Plaice
Jan 17 '12 at 6:59





That's the key difference between a function and a class method. A function is floating free, unencumbered. A class (instance) method has to be aware of it's parent (and parent properties) so you need to pass the method a reference to the parent class (as self). It's just one less implicit rule that you have to internalize before understanding OOP. Other languages choose syntactic sugar over semantic simplicity, python isn't other languages.

– Evan Plaice
Jan 17 '12 at 6:59




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I don't think "explicit is better than implicit" really explains this design choice well. @foo and self.foo are equally explicit as no implicit resolution needs to occur (e.g. in C++, instance members can be "implicitly" accessed without "explicitly" using namespaces). The only difference is that Ruby introduces a new semantic (@), while Python does not. Whether or not a new semantic was worth the amount of verbosity avoided is purely subjective. Though, it should be noted that most modern languages choose to introduce a concept here (e.g. php's $this, JS's this).

– Jing
Jun 14 '14 at 0:09







I don't think "explicit is better than implicit" really explains this design choice well. @foo and self.foo are equally explicit as no implicit resolution needs to occur (e.g. in C++, instance members can be "implicitly" accessed without "explicitly" using namespaces). The only difference is that Ruby introduces a new semantic (@), while Python does not. Whether or not a new semantic was worth the amount of verbosity avoided is purely subjective. Though, it should be noted that most modern languages choose to introduce a concept here (e.g. php's $this, JS's this).

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The reason you need to use self. is because Python does not use the @ syntax to refer to instance attributes. Python decided to do methods in a way that makes the instance to which the method belongs be passed automatically, but not received automatically: the first parameter of methods is the instance the method is called on. That makes methods entirely the same as functions, and leaves the actual name to use up to you (although self is the convention, and people will generally frown at you when you use something else.) self is not special to the code, it's just another object.



Python could have done something else to distinguish normal names from attributes -- special syntax like Ruby has, or requiring declarations like C++ and Java do, or perhaps something yet more different -- but it didn't. Python's all for making things explicit, making it obvious what's what, and although it doesn't do it entirely everywhere, it does do it for instance attributes. That's why assigning to an instance attribute needs to know what instance to assign to, and that's why it needs self..






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    @Georg: cls refers to the class object, not instance object

    – SilentGhost
    Apr 25 '10 at 20:33






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    @SilentGhost: Actually, the name of the first parameter is whatever you want it to be. On class methods, the convention is to use cls and self is used conventionally for instance methods. If I wanted, I could use self for classmethods and cls for instance methods. I could also use bob and fnord if I liked.

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    I find it interesting that the community didn't choose this instead of self. Does self have some history that I'm not aware of in older programming languages?

    – Julius
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    @Julius The self came from Modula-3's conventions, see this answer for further details on this choice. (Disclaimer: its mine).

    – Bakuriu
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    @Julius The self keyword (Smalltalk, 1980) predates the this keyword (from C++). See: stackoverflow.com/questions/1079983/…

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Let’s take a simple vector class:



class Vector:
def __init__(self, x, y):
self.x = x
self.y = y


We want to have a method which calculates the length. What would it look like if we wanted to define it inside the class?



    def length(self):
return math.sqrt(self.x ** 2 + self.y ** 2)


What should it look like when we were to define it as a global method/function?



def length_global(vector):
return math.sqrt(vector.x ** 2 + vector.y ** 2)


So the whole structure stays the same. How can me make use of this? If we assume for a moment that we hadn’t written a length method for our Vector class, we could do this:



Vector.length_new = length_global
v = Vector(3, 4)
print(v.length_new()) # 5.0


This works because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self.





Another way of understanding the need for the explicit self is to see where Python adds some syntactical sugar. When you keep in mind, that basically, a call like



v_instance.length()


is internally transformed to



Vector.length(v_instance)


it is easy to see where the self fits in. You don't actually write instance methods in Python; what you write is class methods which must take an instance as a first parameter. And therefore, you’ll have to place the instance parameter somewhere explicitly.






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    Vector.length_new = length_global... I actually started to use syntax like this in my class declarations. Whenever I only want to inherit some of the methods from another class, I just explicitly copy the reference to the methods.

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    would it be fair to say that python's "instance method" is simply a syntactic sugar of static global methods (as in Java or C++) with an instance object passed in to package multiple attributes? --- well this is kind of half-true since in polymorphism, the more important purpose of "this" (as in java) or "self" is to give u the correct implementation of methods. Python does have this. so calling myobj.someMethod() is equal to TheClassOfMyObj.someMethod(myobj) in python. note that the "TheClassOfMyObj" is automatically figured out by python from "self", otherwise u'd have to find that out.

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    Infact, not only are instance methods just class methods, but methods are just functions which are members of a class, as the Vector.length_new = length_global shows.

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    "This works, because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self." - it would work just the same. it would be re-used for the implicit self... the second example is a circular reasoning - you have to explicitly place self there, because python needs the explicit self.

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    @KarolyHorvath: Sure, it would also be possible to have a language with a model where internally defined methods do not need an explicit self but externally defined methods do. But I’d say there is some consistency in requiring the explicit self in both cases, which makes it a legitimate reason to do it this way. Other languages may choose different approaches.

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Let's say you have a class ClassA which contains a method methodA defined as:



def methodA(self, arg1, arg2):
# do something


and ObjectA is an instance of this class.



Now when ObjectA.methodA(arg1, arg2) is called, python internally converts it for you as:



ClassA.methodA(ObjectA, arg1, arg2)


The self variable refers to the object itself.






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    I read all the other answers and sort of understood, I read this one and then it all made sense.

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    This is called as magic answer __magic__()

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    This is already answered in the latter portion of Debilski's answer..

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    Why not keep those guts inside, though, like Ruby does?

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    This should have been the answer !! To the point and precise

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When objects are instantiated, the object itself is passed into the self parameter.



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Because of this, the object’s data is bound to the object. Below is an example of how you might like to visualize what each object’s data might look. Notice how ‘self’ is replaced with the objects name. I'm not saying this example diagram below is wholly accurate but it hopefully with serve a purpose in visualizing the use of self.



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The Object is passed into the self parameter so that the object can keep hold of its own data.



Although this may not be wholly accurate, think of the process of instantiating an object like this: When an object is made it uses the class as a template for its own data and methods. Without passing it's own name into the self parameter, the attributes and methods in the class would remain as a general template and would not be referenced to (belong to) the object. So by passing the object's name into the self parameter it means that if 100 objects are instantiated from the one class, they can all keep track of their own data and methods.



See the illustration below:



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  • Hey there, when accessing Bob's attributes for example by "bob.name()", you actually accesing bob().self.name so to speak from the 'init' right?

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    When you write bob.name() in the above comment, you are implying that bob has a method called name() due to the fact that you added brackets after name. In this example however there is no such method. 'bob.name' (which has no parenthesis) is directly accessing the attribute called name from the init (constructor) method. When bob's speak method is called it is the method which accesses the name attribute and returns it in a print statement. Hope this helps.

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    No, you get the value of self.name, which for the bob object is actually bob.name, because the object's name is passed into the self parameter when it is created (instantiated). Again, hope this helps. Feel free to upvote main post if it has.

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    Name is assigned to self.name at instantiation. After an object is created, all variables that belong to the object are those prefixed with 'self.' Remember that self is replaced with the object's name when it is created from the class.

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    This is how you explain stuff ! nice job :)

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I like this example:



class A: 
foo =
a, b = A(), A()
a.foo.append(5)
b.foo
ans: [5]

class A:
def __init__(self):
self.foo =
a, b = A(), A()
a.foo.append(5)
b.foo
ans:





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    so vars without self is simply static vars of the class, like in java

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    teddy teddy, you aren't entirely correct. The behavior (static or non-static like) depends not only on self but also on the variable type. Try to do the first example with simple integer instead of list. The result would be quite different.

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    Actually, my question with this is why are you allowed to say a.foo in the first example, rather than A.foo? Clearly foo belongs to the class...

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  • You can call static members from instances of the object in most languages. Why is that surprising?

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    @RadonRosborough Because in the first example, a and b are both labels (or pointers) for A() (the class). a.foo references the A().foo class method. In the second example, though, a becomes a reference to an instance of A(), as does b. Now that they are instances instead of the class object itself, self allows the foo method to operate on the instances.

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I will demonstrate with code that does not use classes:



def state_init(state):
state['field'] = 'init'

def state_add(state, x):
state['field'] += x

def state_mult(state, x):
state['field'] *= x

def state_getField(state):
return state['field']

myself = {}
state_init(myself)
state_add(myself, 'added')
state_mult(myself, 2)

print( state_getField(myself) )
#--> 'initaddedinitadded'


Classes are just a way to avoid passing in this "state" thing all the time (and other nice things like initializing, class composition, the rarely-needed metaclasses, and supporting custom methods to override operators).



Now let's demonstrate the above code using the built-in python class machinery, to show how it's basically the same thing.



class State(object):
def __init__(self):
self.field = 'init'
def add(self, x):
self.field += x
def mult(self, x):
self.field *= x

s = State()
s.add('added') # self is implicitly passed in
s.mult(2) # self is implicitly passed in
print( s.field )


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    I wish Python sugarcoated the handlers as well as Ruby does.

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As well as all the other reasons already stated, it allows for easier access to overridden methods; you can call Class.some_method(inst).



An example of where it’s useful:



class C1(object):
def __init__(self):
print "C1 init"

class C2(C1):
def __init__(self): #overrides C1.__init__
print "C2 init"
C1.__init__(self) #but we still want C1 to init the class too




>>> C2()
"C2 init"
"C1 init"





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    The following excerpts are from the Python documentation about self:




    As in Modula-3, there are no shorthands [in Python] for referencing the object’s members from its methods: the method function is declared with an explicit first argument representing the object, which is provided implicitly by the call.



    Often, the first argument of a method is called self. This is nothing more than a convention: the name self has absolutely no special meaning to Python. Note, however, that by not following the convention your code may be less readable to other Python programmers, and it is also conceivable that a class browser program might be written that relies upon such a convention.




    For more information, see the Python documentation tutorial on classes.






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      Python is not a language built for Object Oriented Programming unlike Java or C++.



      When calling a static method in Python, one simply writes a method with regular arguments inside it.



      class Animal():
      def staticMethod():
      print "This is a static method"


      However, an object method, which requires you to make a variable, which is an Animal, in this case, needs the self argument



      class Animal():
      def objectMethod(self):
      print "This is an object method which needs an instance of a class"


      The self method is also used to refer to a variable field within the class.



      class Animal():
      #animalName made in constructor
      def Animal(self):
      self.animalName = "";


      def getAnimalName(self):
      return self.animalName


      In this case, self is referring to the animalName variable of the entire class. REMEMBER: If you have a variable within a method, self will not work. That variable is simply existent only while that method is running. For defining fields (the variables of the entire class), you have to define them OUTSIDE the class methods.



      If you don't understand a single word of what I am saying, then Google "Object Oriented Programming." Once you understand this, you won't even need to ask that question :).






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      • +1 because of the distinction between staticMethod() and objectMethod(self). I would like to add that in order to invoke the first, you would say Animal.staticMethod(), while objectMethod() needs an instance: a = Animal(); a.objectMethod()

        – Laryx Decidua
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      • What you are saying isn't 100% true. That's just a convention. You can still call the static method from an object created. You just won't be able to use any class members because you didn't declare a self. I can even call Animal.objectMethod(animalObj) to call the non static. Basically this means a static method is only a method that doesn't use member variables. There shouldn't be any need to declare self. It's a silly language requirement I think. Languages like Lua and C++ give you obj variables behind the scenes.

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        Jan 12 '16 at 18:20






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        The only answer that makes sense! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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        Jul 25 '17 at 1:47






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        @ytpillai Irrelevant. Confusing and incorrect code should not be presented as an answer.

        – Cees Timmerman
        Sep 21 '17 at 18:34






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        def getAnimalName to not clobber the string you're trying to return, and self refers to the instance of the class, not any field inside of it.

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      Its use is similar to the use of this keyword in Java, i.e. to give a reference to the current object.






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      • class myClass: def myFunc(this, name): this.name = name

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      It’s there to follow the Python zen “explicit is better than implicit”. It’s indeed a reference to your class object. In Java and PHP, for example, it's called this.



      If user_type_name is a field on your model you access it by self.user_type_name.






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        self is an object reference to the object itself, therefore, they are same.
        Python methods are not called in the context of the object itself.
        self in Python may be used to deal with custom object models or something.






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          I'm surprised nobody has brought up Lua. Lua also uses the 'self' variable however it can be omitted but still used. C++ does the same with 'this'. I don't see any reason to have to declare 'self' in each function but you should still be able to use it just like you can with lua and C++. For a language that prides itself on being brief it's odd that it requires you to declare the self variable.






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            First of all, self is a conventional name, you could put anything else (being coherent) in its stead.



            It refers to the object itself, so when you are using it, you are declaring that .name and .age are properties of the Student objects (note, not of the Student class) you are going to create.



            class Student:
            #called each time you create a new Student instance
            def __init__(self,name,age): #special method to initialize
            self.name=name
            self.age=age

            def __str__(self): #special method called for example when you use print
            return "Student %s is %s years old" %(self.name,self.age)

            def call(self, msg): #silly example for custom method
            return ("Hey, %s! "+msg) %self.name

            #initializing two instances of the student class
            bob=Student("Bob",20)
            alice=Student("Alice",19)

            #using them
            print bob.name
            print bob.age
            print alice #this one only works if you define the __str__ method
            print alice.call("Come here!") #notice you don't put a value for self

            #you can modify attributes, like when alice ages
            alice.age=20
            print alice


            Code is here






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              Take a look at the following example, which clearly explains the purpose of self



              class Restaurant(object):  
              bankrupt = False

              def open_branch(self):
              if not self.bankrupt:
              print("branch opened")

              #create instance1
              >>> x = Restaurant()
              >>> x.bankrupt
              False

              #create instance2
              >>> y = Restaurant()
              >>> y.bankrupt = True
              >>> y.bankrupt
              True

              >>> x.bankrupt
              False


              self is used/needed to distinguish between instances.






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              • Yes, I think we know why self is used, but the question is why does the language make you explicitly declare it. Many other languages don't require this and a language which prides itself on being brief, you'd think they would just give you the variable behind the scenes to use like Lua or C++ (this) does.

                – user441521
                Jan 12 '16 at 18:13






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                @kmario23 You're response was from here: pythontips.com/2013/08/07/the-self-variable-in-python-explained Please always acknowledge original authors when posting answers as your own.

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              Is because by the way python is designed the alternatives would hardly work. Python is designed to allow methods or functions to be defined in a context where both implicit this (a-la Java/C++) or explicit @ (a-la ruby) wouldn't work. Let's have an example with the explicit approach with python conventions:



              def fubar(x):
              self.x = x

              class C:
              frob = fubar


              Now the fubar function wouldn't work since it would assume that self is a global variable (and in frob as well). The alternative would be to execute method's with a replaced global scope (where self is the object).



              The implicit approach would be



              def fubar(x)
              myX = x

              class C:
              frob = fubar


              This would mean that myX would be interpreted as a local variable in fubar (and in frob as well). The alternative here would be to execute methods with a replaced local scope which is retained between calls, but that would remove the posibility of method local variables.



              However the current situation works out well:



               def fubar(self, x)
              self.x = x

              class C:
              frob = fubar


              here when called as a method frob will receive the object on which it's called via the self parameter, and fubar can still be called with an object as parameter and work the same (it is the same as C.frob I think).






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                The use of the argument, conventionally called self isn't as hard to understand, as is why is it necessary? Or as to why explicitly mention it? That, I suppose, is a bigger question for most users who look up this question, or if it is not, they will certainly have the same question as they move forward learning python. I recommend them to read these couple of blogs:



                1: Use of self explained



                Note that it is not a keyword.




                The first argument of every class method, including init, is always a reference to the current instance of the class. By convention, this argument is always named self. In the init method, self refers to the newly created object; in other class methods, it refers to the instance whose method was called. For example the below code is the same as the above code.




                2: Why do we have it this way and why can we not eliminate it as an argument, like Java, and have a keyword instead



                Another thing I would like to add is, an optional self argument allows me to declare static methods inside a class, by not writing self.



                Code examples:



                class MyClass():
                def staticMethod():
                print "This is a static method"

                def objectMethod(self):
                print "This is an object method which needs an instance of a class, and that is what self refers to"


                PS:This works only in Python 3.x.



                In previous versions, you have to explicitly add @staticmethod decorator, otherwise self argument is obligatory.






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                  In the __init__ method, self refers to the newly created object; in other class methods, it refers to the instance whose method was called.



                  self, as a name, is just a convention, call it as you want ! but when using it, for example to delete the object, you have to use the same name: __del__(var), where var was used in the __init__(var,[...])



                  You should take a look at cls too, to have the bigger picture. This post could be helpful.






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                    it's an explicit reference to the class instance object.






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                      I don't think this helps richzilla to understand the reason behind it.

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                    • @SilentGhost: you have nailed it. I am impressed. if I understand it correctly: I do create an object as an instance of the defined class and the self parameter refers to that object? I understand self refers in implicit way to the class itself but it would be great if you explain your answer a bit more.

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                    The reason you need to use self. is because Python does not use the @ syntax to refer to instance attributes. Python decided to do methods in a way that makes the instance to which the method belongs be passed automatically, but not received automatically: the first parameter of methods is the instance the method is called on. That makes methods entirely the same as functions, and leaves the actual name to use up to you (although self is the convention, and people will generally frown at you when you use something else.) self is not special to the code, it's just another object.



                    Python could have done something else to distinguish normal names from attributes -- special syntax like Ruby has, or requiring declarations like C++ and Java do, or perhaps something yet more different -- but it didn't. Python's all for making things explicit, making it obvious what's what, and although it doesn't do it entirely everywhere, it does do it for instance attributes. That's why assigning to an instance attribute needs to know what instance to assign to, and that's why it needs self..






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                      @Georg: cls refers to the class object, not instance object

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                      @SilentGhost: Actually, the name of the first parameter is whatever you want it to be. On class methods, the convention is to use cls and self is used conventionally for instance methods. If I wanted, I could use self for classmethods and cls for instance methods. I could also use bob and fnord if I liked.

                      – SingleNegationElimination
                      Nov 22 '10 at 22:13






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                      I find it interesting that the community didn't choose this instead of self. Does self have some history that I'm not aware of in older programming languages?

                      – Julius
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                      @Julius The self came from Modula-3's conventions, see this answer for further details on this choice. (Disclaimer: its mine).

                      – Bakuriu
                      Sep 20 '13 at 19:07






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                      @Julius The self keyword (Smalltalk, 1980) predates the this keyword (from C++). See: stackoverflow.com/questions/1079983/…

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                    The reason you need to use self. is because Python does not use the @ syntax to refer to instance attributes. Python decided to do methods in a way that makes the instance to which the method belongs be passed automatically, but not received automatically: the first parameter of methods is the instance the method is called on. That makes methods entirely the same as functions, and leaves the actual name to use up to you (although self is the convention, and people will generally frown at you when you use something else.) self is not special to the code, it's just another object.



                    Python could have done something else to distinguish normal names from attributes -- special syntax like Ruby has, or requiring declarations like C++ and Java do, or perhaps something yet more different -- but it didn't. Python's all for making things explicit, making it obvious what's what, and although it doesn't do it entirely everywhere, it does do it for instance attributes. That's why assigning to an instance attribute needs to know what instance to assign to, and that's why it needs self..






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                      @Georg: cls refers to the class object, not instance object

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                      @SilentGhost: Actually, the name of the first parameter is whatever you want it to be. On class methods, the convention is to use cls and self is used conventionally for instance methods. If I wanted, I could use self for classmethods and cls for instance methods. I could also use bob and fnord if I liked.

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                      I find it interesting that the community didn't choose this instead of self. Does self have some history that I'm not aware of in older programming languages?

                      – Julius
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                      @Julius The self came from Modula-3's conventions, see this answer for further details on this choice. (Disclaimer: its mine).

                      – Bakuriu
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                      @Julius The self keyword (Smalltalk, 1980) predates the this keyword (from C++). See: stackoverflow.com/questions/1079983/…

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                    The reason you need to use self. is because Python does not use the @ syntax to refer to instance attributes. Python decided to do methods in a way that makes the instance to which the method belongs be passed automatically, but not received automatically: the first parameter of methods is the instance the method is called on. That makes methods entirely the same as functions, and leaves the actual name to use up to you (although self is the convention, and people will generally frown at you when you use something else.) self is not special to the code, it's just another object.



                    Python could have done something else to distinguish normal names from attributes -- special syntax like Ruby has, or requiring declarations like C++ and Java do, or perhaps something yet more different -- but it didn't. Python's all for making things explicit, making it obvious what's what, and although it doesn't do it entirely everywhere, it does do it for instance attributes. That's why assigning to an instance attribute needs to know what instance to assign to, and that's why it needs self..






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                    The reason you need to use self. is because Python does not use the @ syntax to refer to instance attributes. Python decided to do methods in a way that makes the instance to which the method belongs be passed automatically, but not received automatically: the first parameter of methods is the instance the method is called on. That makes methods entirely the same as functions, and leaves the actual name to use up to you (although self is the convention, and people will generally frown at you when you use something else.) self is not special to the code, it's just another object.



                    Python could have done something else to distinguish normal names from attributes -- special syntax like Ruby has, or requiring declarations like C++ and Java do, or perhaps something yet more different -- but it didn't. Python's all for making things explicit, making it obvious what's what, and although it doesn't do it entirely everywhere, it does do it for instance attributes. That's why assigning to an instance attribute needs to know what instance to assign to, and that's why it needs self..







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                      @Georg: cls refers to the class object, not instance object

                      – SilentGhost
                      Apr 25 '10 at 20:33






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                      @SilentGhost: Actually, the name of the first parameter is whatever you want it to be. On class methods, the convention is to use cls and self is used conventionally for instance methods. If I wanted, I could use self for classmethods and cls for instance methods. I could also use bob and fnord if I liked.

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                      I find it interesting that the community didn't choose this instead of self. Does self have some history that I'm not aware of in older programming languages?

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                      @Julius The self came from Modula-3's conventions, see this answer for further details on this choice. (Disclaimer: its mine).

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                      Sep 20 '13 at 19:07






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                      @Georg: cls refers to the class object, not instance object

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                      @SilentGhost: Actually, the name of the first parameter is whatever you want it to be. On class methods, the convention is to use cls and self is used conventionally for instance methods. If I wanted, I could use self for classmethods and cls for instance methods. I could also use bob and fnord if I liked.

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                      I find it interesting that the community didn't choose this instead of self. Does self have some history that I'm not aware of in older programming languages?

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                      @Julius The self came from Modula-3's conventions, see this answer for further details on this choice. (Disclaimer: its mine).

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                    @Georg: cls refers to the class object, not instance object

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                    @SilentGhost: Actually, the name of the first parameter is whatever you want it to be. On class methods, the convention is to use cls and self is used conventionally for instance methods. If I wanted, I could use self for classmethods and cls for instance methods. I could also use bob and fnord if I liked.

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                    @SilentGhost: Actually, the name of the first parameter is whatever you want it to be. On class methods, the convention is to use cls and self is used conventionally for instance methods. If I wanted, I could use self for classmethods and cls for instance methods. I could also use bob and fnord if I liked.

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                    I find it interesting that the community didn't choose this instead of self. Does self have some history that I'm not aware of in older programming languages?

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                    @Julius The self came from Modula-3's conventions, see this answer for further details on this choice. (Disclaimer: its mine).

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                    @Julius The self keyword (Smalltalk, 1980) predates the this keyword (from C++). See: stackoverflow.com/questions/1079983/…

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                    Let’s take a simple vector class:



                    class Vector:
                    def __init__(self, x, y):
                    self.x = x
                    self.y = y


                    We want to have a method which calculates the length. What would it look like if we wanted to define it inside the class?



                        def length(self):
                    return math.sqrt(self.x ** 2 + self.y ** 2)


                    What should it look like when we were to define it as a global method/function?



                    def length_global(vector):
                    return math.sqrt(vector.x ** 2 + vector.y ** 2)


                    So the whole structure stays the same. How can me make use of this? If we assume for a moment that we hadn’t written a length method for our Vector class, we could do this:



                    Vector.length_new = length_global
                    v = Vector(3, 4)
                    print(v.length_new()) # 5.0


                    This works because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self.





                    Another way of understanding the need for the explicit self is to see where Python adds some syntactical sugar. When you keep in mind, that basically, a call like



                    v_instance.length()


                    is internally transformed to



                    Vector.length(v_instance)


                    it is easy to see where the self fits in. You don't actually write instance methods in Python; what you write is class methods which must take an instance as a first parameter. And therefore, you’ll have to place the instance parameter somewhere explicitly.






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                      Vector.length_new = length_global... I actually started to use syntax like this in my class declarations. Whenever I only want to inherit some of the methods from another class, I just explicitly copy the reference to the methods.

                      – Jeeyoung Kim
                      Nov 22 '10 at 21:37






                    • 1





                      would it be fair to say that python's "instance method" is simply a syntactic sugar of static global methods (as in Java or C++) with an instance object passed in to package multiple attributes? --- well this is kind of half-true since in polymorphism, the more important purpose of "this" (as in java) or "self" is to give u the correct implementation of methods. Python does have this. so calling myobj.someMethod() is equal to TheClassOfMyObj.someMethod(myobj) in python. note that the "TheClassOfMyObj" is automatically figured out by python from "self", otherwise u'd have to find that out.

                      – teddy teddy
                      Sep 7 '12 at 19:43






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                      Infact, not only are instance methods just class methods, but methods are just functions which are members of a class, as the Vector.length_new = length_global shows.

                      – RussW
                      Sep 6 '13 at 9:46






                    • 1





                      "This works, because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self." - it would work just the same. it would be re-used for the implicit self... the second example is a circular reasoning - you have to explicitly place self there, because python needs the explicit self.

                      – Karoly Horvath
                      Mar 15 '14 at 16:16






                    • 1





                      @KarolyHorvath: Sure, it would also be possible to have a language with a model where internally defined methods do not need an explicit self but externally defined methods do. But I’d say there is some consistency in requiring the explicit self in both cases, which makes it a legitimate reason to do it this way. Other languages may choose different approaches.

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                      Mar 16 '14 at 14:52
















                    389














                    Let’s take a simple vector class:



                    class Vector:
                    def __init__(self, x, y):
                    self.x = x
                    self.y = y


                    We want to have a method which calculates the length. What would it look like if we wanted to define it inside the class?



                        def length(self):
                    return math.sqrt(self.x ** 2 + self.y ** 2)


                    What should it look like when we were to define it as a global method/function?



                    def length_global(vector):
                    return math.sqrt(vector.x ** 2 + vector.y ** 2)


                    So the whole structure stays the same. How can me make use of this? If we assume for a moment that we hadn’t written a length method for our Vector class, we could do this:



                    Vector.length_new = length_global
                    v = Vector(3, 4)
                    print(v.length_new()) # 5.0


                    This works because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self.





                    Another way of understanding the need for the explicit self is to see where Python adds some syntactical sugar. When you keep in mind, that basically, a call like



                    v_instance.length()


                    is internally transformed to



                    Vector.length(v_instance)


                    it is easy to see where the self fits in. You don't actually write instance methods in Python; what you write is class methods which must take an instance as a first parameter. And therefore, you’ll have to place the instance parameter somewhere explicitly.






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                      Vector.length_new = length_global... I actually started to use syntax like this in my class declarations. Whenever I only want to inherit some of the methods from another class, I just explicitly copy the reference to the methods.

                      – Jeeyoung Kim
                      Nov 22 '10 at 21:37






                    • 1





                      would it be fair to say that python's "instance method" is simply a syntactic sugar of static global methods (as in Java or C++) with an instance object passed in to package multiple attributes? --- well this is kind of half-true since in polymorphism, the more important purpose of "this" (as in java) or "self" is to give u the correct implementation of methods. Python does have this. so calling myobj.someMethod() is equal to TheClassOfMyObj.someMethod(myobj) in python. note that the "TheClassOfMyObj" is automatically figured out by python from "self", otherwise u'd have to find that out.

                      – teddy teddy
                      Sep 7 '12 at 19:43






                    • 2





                      Infact, not only are instance methods just class methods, but methods are just functions which are members of a class, as the Vector.length_new = length_global shows.

                      – RussW
                      Sep 6 '13 at 9:46






                    • 1





                      "This works, because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self." - it would work just the same. it would be re-used for the implicit self... the second example is a circular reasoning - you have to explicitly place self there, because python needs the explicit self.

                      – Karoly Horvath
                      Mar 15 '14 at 16:16






                    • 1





                      @KarolyHorvath: Sure, it would also be possible to have a language with a model where internally defined methods do not need an explicit self but externally defined methods do. But I’d say there is some consistency in requiring the explicit self in both cases, which makes it a legitimate reason to do it this way. Other languages may choose different approaches.

                      – Debilski
                      Mar 16 '14 at 14:52














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                    389







                    Let’s take a simple vector class:



                    class Vector:
                    def __init__(self, x, y):
                    self.x = x
                    self.y = y


                    We want to have a method which calculates the length. What would it look like if we wanted to define it inside the class?



                        def length(self):
                    return math.sqrt(self.x ** 2 + self.y ** 2)


                    What should it look like when we were to define it as a global method/function?



                    def length_global(vector):
                    return math.sqrt(vector.x ** 2 + vector.y ** 2)


                    So the whole structure stays the same. How can me make use of this? If we assume for a moment that we hadn’t written a length method for our Vector class, we could do this:



                    Vector.length_new = length_global
                    v = Vector(3, 4)
                    print(v.length_new()) # 5.0


                    This works because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self.





                    Another way of understanding the need for the explicit self is to see where Python adds some syntactical sugar. When you keep in mind, that basically, a call like



                    v_instance.length()


                    is internally transformed to



                    Vector.length(v_instance)


                    it is easy to see where the self fits in. You don't actually write instance methods in Python; what you write is class methods which must take an instance as a first parameter. And therefore, you’ll have to place the instance parameter somewhere explicitly.






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                    Let’s take a simple vector class:



                    class Vector:
                    def __init__(self, x, y):
                    self.x = x
                    self.y = y


                    We want to have a method which calculates the length. What would it look like if we wanted to define it inside the class?



                        def length(self):
                    return math.sqrt(self.x ** 2 + self.y ** 2)


                    What should it look like when we were to define it as a global method/function?



                    def length_global(vector):
                    return math.sqrt(vector.x ** 2 + vector.y ** 2)


                    So the whole structure stays the same. How can me make use of this? If we assume for a moment that we hadn’t written a length method for our Vector class, we could do this:



                    Vector.length_new = length_global
                    v = Vector(3, 4)
                    print(v.length_new()) # 5.0


                    This works because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self.





                    Another way of understanding the need for the explicit self is to see where Python adds some syntactical sugar. When you keep in mind, that basically, a call like



                    v_instance.length()


                    is internally transformed to



                    Vector.length(v_instance)


                    it is easy to see where the self fits in. You don't actually write instance methods in Python; what you write is class methods which must take an instance as a first parameter. And therefore, you’ll have to place the instance parameter somewhere explicitly.







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                      Vector.length_new = length_global... I actually started to use syntax like this in my class declarations. Whenever I only want to inherit some of the methods from another class, I just explicitly copy the reference to the methods.

                      – Jeeyoung Kim
                      Nov 22 '10 at 21:37






                    • 1





                      would it be fair to say that python's "instance method" is simply a syntactic sugar of static global methods (as in Java or C++) with an instance object passed in to package multiple attributes? --- well this is kind of half-true since in polymorphism, the more important purpose of "this" (as in java) or "self" is to give u the correct implementation of methods. Python does have this. so calling myobj.someMethod() is equal to TheClassOfMyObj.someMethod(myobj) in python. note that the "TheClassOfMyObj" is automatically figured out by python from "self", otherwise u'd have to find that out.

                      – teddy teddy
                      Sep 7 '12 at 19:43






                    • 2





                      Infact, not only are instance methods just class methods, but methods are just functions which are members of a class, as the Vector.length_new = length_global shows.

                      – RussW
                      Sep 6 '13 at 9:46






                    • 1





                      "This works, because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self." - it would work just the same. it would be re-used for the implicit self... the second example is a circular reasoning - you have to explicitly place self there, because python needs the explicit self.

                      – Karoly Horvath
                      Mar 15 '14 at 16:16






                    • 1





                      @KarolyHorvath: Sure, it would also be possible to have a language with a model where internally defined methods do not need an explicit self but externally defined methods do. But I’d say there is some consistency in requiring the explicit self in both cases, which makes it a legitimate reason to do it this way. Other languages may choose different approaches.

                      – Debilski
                      Mar 16 '14 at 14:52














                    • 3





                      Vector.length_new = length_global... I actually started to use syntax like this in my class declarations. Whenever I only want to inherit some of the methods from another class, I just explicitly copy the reference to the methods.

                      – Jeeyoung Kim
                      Nov 22 '10 at 21:37






                    • 1





                      would it be fair to say that python's "instance method" is simply a syntactic sugar of static global methods (as in Java or C++) with an instance object passed in to package multiple attributes? --- well this is kind of half-true since in polymorphism, the more important purpose of "this" (as in java) or "self" is to give u the correct implementation of methods. Python does have this. so calling myobj.someMethod() is equal to TheClassOfMyObj.someMethod(myobj) in python. note that the "TheClassOfMyObj" is automatically figured out by python from "self", otherwise u'd have to find that out.

                      – teddy teddy
                      Sep 7 '12 at 19:43






                    • 2





                      Infact, not only are instance methods just class methods, but methods are just functions which are members of a class, as the Vector.length_new = length_global shows.

                      – RussW
                      Sep 6 '13 at 9:46






                    • 1





                      "This works, because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self." - it would work just the same. it would be re-used for the implicit self... the second example is a circular reasoning - you have to explicitly place self there, because python needs the explicit self.

                      – Karoly Horvath
                      Mar 15 '14 at 16:16






                    • 1





                      @KarolyHorvath: Sure, it would also be possible to have a language with a model where internally defined methods do not need an explicit self but externally defined methods do. But I’d say there is some consistency in requiring the explicit self in both cases, which makes it a legitimate reason to do it this way. Other languages may choose different approaches.

                      – Debilski
                      Mar 16 '14 at 14:52








                    3




                    3





                    Vector.length_new = length_global... I actually started to use syntax like this in my class declarations. Whenever I only want to inherit some of the methods from another class, I just explicitly copy the reference to the methods.

                    – Jeeyoung Kim
                    Nov 22 '10 at 21:37





                    Vector.length_new = length_global... I actually started to use syntax like this in my class declarations. Whenever I only want to inherit some of the methods from another class, I just explicitly copy the reference to the methods.

                    – Jeeyoung Kim
                    Nov 22 '10 at 21:37




                    1




                    1





                    would it be fair to say that python's "instance method" is simply a syntactic sugar of static global methods (as in Java or C++) with an instance object passed in to package multiple attributes? --- well this is kind of half-true since in polymorphism, the more important purpose of "this" (as in java) or "self" is to give u the correct implementation of methods. Python does have this. so calling myobj.someMethod() is equal to TheClassOfMyObj.someMethod(myobj) in python. note that the "TheClassOfMyObj" is automatically figured out by python from "self", otherwise u'd have to find that out.

                    – teddy teddy
                    Sep 7 '12 at 19:43





                    would it be fair to say that python's "instance method" is simply a syntactic sugar of static global methods (as in Java or C++) with an instance object passed in to package multiple attributes? --- well this is kind of half-true since in polymorphism, the more important purpose of "this" (as in java) or "self" is to give u the correct implementation of methods. Python does have this. so calling myobj.someMethod() is equal to TheClassOfMyObj.someMethod(myobj) in python. note that the "TheClassOfMyObj" is automatically figured out by python from "self", otherwise u'd have to find that out.

                    – teddy teddy
                    Sep 7 '12 at 19:43




                    2




                    2





                    Infact, not only are instance methods just class methods, but methods are just functions which are members of a class, as the Vector.length_new = length_global shows.

                    – RussW
                    Sep 6 '13 at 9:46





                    Infact, not only are instance methods just class methods, but methods are just functions which are members of a class, as the Vector.length_new = length_global shows.

                    – RussW
                    Sep 6 '13 at 9:46




                    1




                    1





                    "This works, because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self." - it would work just the same. it would be re-used for the implicit self... the second example is a circular reasoning - you have to explicitly place self there, because python needs the explicit self.

                    – Karoly Horvath
                    Mar 15 '14 at 16:16





                    "This works, because the first parameter of length_global, can be re-used as the self parameter in length_new. This would not be possible without an explicit self." - it would work just the same. it would be re-used for the implicit self... the second example is a circular reasoning - you have to explicitly place self there, because python needs the explicit self.

                    – Karoly Horvath
                    Mar 15 '14 at 16:16




                    1




                    1





                    @KarolyHorvath: Sure, it would also be possible to have a language with a model where internally defined methods do not need an explicit self but externally defined methods do. But I’d say there is some consistency in requiring the explicit self in both cases, which makes it a legitimate reason to do it this way. Other languages may choose different approaches.

                    – Debilski
                    Mar 16 '14 at 14:52





                    @KarolyHorvath: Sure, it would also be possible to have a language with a model where internally defined methods do not need an explicit self but externally defined methods do. But I’d say there is some consistency in requiring the explicit self in both cases, which makes it a legitimate reason to do it this way. Other languages may choose different approaches.

                    – Debilski
                    Mar 16 '14 at 14:52











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                    Let's say you have a class ClassA which contains a method methodA defined as:



                    def methodA(self, arg1, arg2):
                    # do something


                    and ObjectA is an instance of this class.



                    Now when ObjectA.methodA(arg1, arg2) is called, python internally converts it for you as:



                    ClassA.methodA(ObjectA, arg1, arg2)


                    The self variable refers to the object itself.






                    share|improve this answer





















                    • 57





                      I read all the other answers and sort of understood, I read this one and then it all made sense.

                      – Seth
                      Oct 8 '14 at 2:37






                    • 5





                      This is called as magic answer __magic__()

                      – Rio
                      Jun 3 '15 at 19:13






                    • 1





                      This is already answered in the latter portion of Debilski's answer..

                      – SIslam
                      Jun 13 '15 at 15:36






                    • 1





                      Why not keep those guts inside, though, like Ruby does?

                      – Cees Timmerman
                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:15






                    • 5





                      This should have been the answer !! To the point and precise

                      – Spandy
                      Dec 12 '17 at 1:00
















                    313














                    Let's say you have a class ClassA which contains a method methodA defined as:



                    def methodA(self, arg1, arg2):
                    # do something


                    and ObjectA is an instance of this class.



                    Now when ObjectA.methodA(arg1, arg2) is called, python internally converts it for you as:



                    ClassA.methodA(ObjectA, arg1, arg2)


                    The self variable refers to the object itself.






                    share|improve this answer





















                    • 57





                      I read all the other answers and sort of understood, I read this one and then it all made sense.

                      – Seth
                      Oct 8 '14 at 2:37






                    • 5





                      This is called as magic answer __magic__()

                      – Rio
                      Jun 3 '15 at 19:13






                    • 1





                      This is already answered in the latter portion of Debilski's answer..

                      – SIslam
                      Jun 13 '15 at 15:36






                    • 1





                      Why not keep those guts inside, though, like Ruby does?

                      – Cees Timmerman
                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:15






                    • 5





                      This should have been the answer !! To the point and precise

                      – Spandy
                      Dec 12 '17 at 1:00














                    313












                    313








                    313







                    Let's say you have a class ClassA which contains a method methodA defined as:



                    def methodA(self, arg1, arg2):
                    # do something


                    and ObjectA is an instance of this class.



                    Now when ObjectA.methodA(arg1, arg2) is called, python internally converts it for you as:



                    ClassA.methodA(ObjectA, arg1, arg2)


                    The self variable refers to the object itself.






                    share|improve this answer















                    Let's say you have a class ClassA which contains a method methodA defined as:



                    def methodA(self, arg1, arg2):
                    # do something


                    and ObjectA is an instance of this class.



                    Now when ObjectA.methodA(arg1, arg2) is called, python internally converts it for you as:



                    ClassA.methodA(ObjectA, arg1, arg2)


                    The self variable refers to the object itself.







                    share|improve this answer














                    share|improve this answer



                    share|improve this answer








                    edited Jan 18 '15 at 16:10









                    hichris123

                    7,445124261




                    7,445124261










                    answered Jan 26 '14 at 17:31









                    Arjun SreedharanArjun Sreedharan

                    6,95711828




                    6,95711828








                    • 57





                      I read all the other answers and sort of understood, I read this one and then it all made sense.

                      – Seth
                      Oct 8 '14 at 2:37






                    • 5





                      This is called as magic answer __magic__()

                      – Rio
                      Jun 3 '15 at 19:13






                    • 1





                      This is already answered in the latter portion of Debilski's answer..

                      – SIslam
                      Jun 13 '15 at 15:36






                    • 1





                      Why not keep those guts inside, though, like Ruby does?

                      – Cees Timmerman
                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:15






                    • 5





                      This should have been the answer !! To the point and precise

                      – Spandy
                      Dec 12 '17 at 1:00














                    • 57





                      I read all the other answers and sort of understood, I read this one and then it all made sense.

                      – Seth
                      Oct 8 '14 at 2:37






                    • 5





                      This is called as magic answer __magic__()

                      – Rio
                      Jun 3 '15 at 19:13






                    • 1





                      This is already answered in the latter portion of Debilski's answer..

                      – SIslam
                      Jun 13 '15 at 15:36






                    • 1





                      Why not keep those guts inside, though, like Ruby does?

                      – Cees Timmerman
                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:15






                    • 5





                      This should have been the answer !! To the point and precise

                      – Spandy
                      Dec 12 '17 at 1:00








                    57




                    57





                    I read all the other answers and sort of understood, I read this one and then it all made sense.

                    – Seth
                    Oct 8 '14 at 2:37





                    I read all the other answers and sort of understood, I read this one and then it all made sense.

                    – Seth
                    Oct 8 '14 at 2:37




                    5




                    5





                    This is called as magic answer __magic__()

                    – Rio
                    Jun 3 '15 at 19:13





                    This is called as magic answer __magic__()

                    – Rio
                    Jun 3 '15 at 19:13




                    1




                    1





                    This is already answered in the latter portion of Debilski's answer..

                    – SIslam
                    Jun 13 '15 at 15:36





                    This is already answered in the latter portion of Debilski's answer..

                    – SIslam
                    Jun 13 '15 at 15:36




                    1




                    1





                    Why not keep those guts inside, though, like Ruby does?

                    – Cees Timmerman
                    Sep 21 '17 at 18:15





                    Why not keep those guts inside, though, like Ruby does?

                    – Cees Timmerman
                    Sep 21 '17 at 18:15




                    5




                    5





                    This should have been the answer !! To the point and precise

                    – Spandy
                    Dec 12 '17 at 1:00





                    This should have been the answer !! To the point and precise

                    – Spandy
                    Dec 12 '17 at 1:00











                    169














                    When objects are instantiated, the object itself is passed into the self parameter.



                    enter image description here



                    Because of this, the object’s data is bound to the object. Below is an example of how you might like to visualize what each object’s data might look. Notice how ‘self’ is replaced with the objects name. I'm not saying this example diagram below is wholly accurate but it hopefully with serve a purpose in visualizing the use of self.



                    enter image description here



                    The Object is passed into the self parameter so that the object can keep hold of its own data.



                    Although this may not be wholly accurate, think of the process of instantiating an object like this: When an object is made it uses the class as a template for its own data and methods. Without passing it's own name into the self parameter, the attributes and methods in the class would remain as a general template and would not be referenced to (belong to) the object. So by passing the object's name into the self parameter it means that if 100 objects are instantiated from the one class, they can all keep track of their own data and methods.



                    See the illustration below:



                    enter image description here






                    share|improve this answer
























                    • Hey there, when accessing Bob's attributes for example by "bob.name()", you actually accesing bob().self.name so to speak from the 'init' right?

                      – udarH3
                      Aug 10 '15 at 8:31








                    • 3





                      When you write bob.name() in the above comment, you are implying that bob has a method called name() due to the fact that you added brackets after name. In this example however there is no such method. 'bob.name' (which has no parenthesis) is directly accessing the attribute called name from the init (constructor) method. When bob's speak method is called it is the method which accesses the name attribute and returns it in a print statement. Hope this helps.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 8:48








                    • 3





                      No, you get the value of self.name, which for the bob object is actually bob.name, because the object's name is passed into the self parameter when it is created (instantiated). Again, hope this helps. Feel free to upvote main post if it has.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 9:18






                    • 2





                      Name is assigned to self.name at instantiation. After an object is created, all variables that belong to the object are those prefixed with 'self.' Remember that self is replaced with the object's name when it is created from the class.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 9:23






                    • 3





                      This is how you explain stuff ! nice job :)

                      – penta
                      Nov 5 '17 at 9:44
















                    169














                    When objects are instantiated, the object itself is passed into the self parameter.



                    enter image description here



                    Because of this, the object’s data is bound to the object. Below is an example of how you might like to visualize what each object’s data might look. Notice how ‘self’ is replaced with the objects name. I'm not saying this example diagram below is wholly accurate but it hopefully with serve a purpose in visualizing the use of self.



                    enter image description here



                    The Object is passed into the self parameter so that the object can keep hold of its own data.



                    Although this may not be wholly accurate, think of the process of instantiating an object like this: When an object is made it uses the class as a template for its own data and methods. Without passing it's own name into the self parameter, the attributes and methods in the class would remain as a general template and would not be referenced to (belong to) the object. So by passing the object's name into the self parameter it means that if 100 objects are instantiated from the one class, they can all keep track of their own data and methods.



                    See the illustration below:



                    enter image description here






                    share|improve this answer
























                    • Hey there, when accessing Bob's attributes for example by "bob.name()", you actually accesing bob().self.name so to speak from the 'init' right?

                      – udarH3
                      Aug 10 '15 at 8:31








                    • 3





                      When you write bob.name() in the above comment, you are implying that bob has a method called name() due to the fact that you added brackets after name. In this example however there is no such method. 'bob.name' (which has no parenthesis) is directly accessing the attribute called name from the init (constructor) method. When bob's speak method is called it is the method which accesses the name attribute and returns it in a print statement. Hope this helps.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 8:48








                    • 3





                      No, you get the value of self.name, which for the bob object is actually bob.name, because the object's name is passed into the self parameter when it is created (instantiated). Again, hope this helps. Feel free to upvote main post if it has.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 9:18






                    • 2





                      Name is assigned to self.name at instantiation. After an object is created, all variables that belong to the object are those prefixed with 'self.' Remember that self is replaced with the object's name when it is created from the class.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 9:23






                    • 3





                      This is how you explain stuff ! nice job :)

                      – penta
                      Nov 5 '17 at 9:44














                    169












                    169








                    169







                    When objects are instantiated, the object itself is passed into the self parameter.



                    enter image description here



                    Because of this, the object’s data is bound to the object. Below is an example of how you might like to visualize what each object’s data might look. Notice how ‘self’ is replaced with the objects name. I'm not saying this example diagram below is wholly accurate but it hopefully with serve a purpose in visualizing the use of self.



                    enter image description here



                    The Object is passed into the self parameter so that the object can keep hold of its own data.



                    Although this may not be wholly accurate, think of the process of instantiating an object like this: When an object is made it uses the class as a template for its own data and methods. Without passing it's own name into the self parameter, the attributes and methods in the class would remain as a general template and would not be referenced to (belong to) the object. So by passing the object's name into the self parameter it means that if 100 objects are instantiated from the one class, they can all keep track of their own data and methods.



                    See the illustration below:



                    enter image description here






                    share|improve this answer













                    When objects are instantiated, the object itself is passed into the self parameter.



                    enter image description here



                    Because of this, the object’s data is bound to the object. Below is an example of how you might like to visualize what each object’s data might look. Notice how ‘self’ is replaced with the objects name. I'm not saying this example diagram below is wholly accurate but it hopefully with serve a purpose in visualizing the use of self.



                    enter image description here



                    The Object is passed into the self parameter so that the object can keep hold of its own data.



                    Although this may not be wholly accurate, think of the process of instantiating an object like this: When an object is made it uses the class as a template for its own data and methods. Without passing it's own name into the self parameter, the attributes and methods in the class would remain as a general template and would not be referenced to (belong to) the object. So by passing the object's name into the self parameter it means that if 100 objects are instantiated from the one class, they can all keep track of their own data and methods.



                    See the illustration below:



                    enter image description here







                    share|improve this answer












                    share|improve this answer



                    share|improve this answer










                    answered Jun 28 '15 at 5:47









                    sw123456sw123456

                    2,1981824




                    2,1981824













                    • Hey there, when accessing Bob's attributes for example by "bob.name()", you actually accesing bob().self.name so to speak from the 'init' right?

                      – udarH3
                      Aug 10 '15 at 8:31








                    • 3





                      When you write bob.name() in the above comment, you are implying that bob has a method called name() due to the fact that you added brackets after name. In this example however there is no such method. 'bob.name' (which has no parenthesis) is directly accessing the attribute called name from the init (constructor) method. When bob's speak method is called it is the method which accesses the name attribute and returns it in a print statement. Hope this helps.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 8:48








                    • 3





                      No, you get the value of self.name, which for the bob object is actually bob.name, because the object's name is passed into the self parameter when it is created (instantiated). Again, hope this helps. Feel free to upvote main post if it has.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 9:18






                    • 2





                      Name is assigned to self.name at instantiation. After an object is created, all variables that belong to the object are those prefixed with 'self.' Remember that self is replaced with the object's name when it is created from the class.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 9:23






                    • 3





                      This is how you explain stuff ! nice job :)

                      – penta
                      Nov 5 '17 at 9:44



















                    • Hey there, when accessing Bob's attributes for example by "bob.name()", you actually accesing bob().self.name so to speak from the 'init' right?

                      – udarH3
                      Aug 10 '15 at 8:31








                    • 3





                      When you write bob.name() in the above comment, you are implying that bob has a method called name() due to the fact that you added brackets after name. In this example however there is no such method. 'bob.name' (which has no parenthesis) is directly accessing the attribute called name from the init (constructor) method. When bob's speak method is called it is the method which accesses the name attribute and returns it in a print statement. Hope this helps.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 8:48








                    • 3





                      No, you get the value of self.name, which for the bob object is actually bob.name, because the object's name is passed into the self parameter when it is created (instantiated). Again, hope this helps. Feel free to upvote main post if it has.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 9:18






                    • 2





                      Name is assigned to self.name at instantiation. After an object is created, all variables that belong to the object are those prefixed with 'self.' Remember that self is replaced with the object's name when it is created from the class.

                      – sw123456
                      Aug 10 '15 at 9:23






                    • 3





                      This is how you explain stuff ! nice job :)

                      – penta
                      Nov 5 '17 at 9:44

















                    Hey there, when accessing Bob's attributes for example by "bob.name()", you actually accesing bob().self.name so to speak from the 'init' right?

                    – udarH3
                    Aug 10 '15 at 8:31







                    Hey there, when accessing Bob's attributes for example by "bob.name()", you actually accesing bob().self.name so to speak from the 'init' right?

                    – udarH3
                    Aug 10 '15 at 8:31






                    3




                    3





                    When you write bob.name() in the above comment, you are implying that bob has a method called name() due to the fact that you added brackets after name. In this example however there is no such method. 'bob.name' (which has no parenthesis) is directly accessing the attribute called name from the init (constructor) method. When bob's speak method is called it is the method which accesses the name attribute and returns it in a print statement. Hope this helps.

                    – sw123456
                    Aug 10 '15 at 8:48







                    When you write bob.name() in the above comment, you are implying that bob has a method called name() due to the fact that you added brackets after name. In this example however there is no such method. 'bob.name' (which has no parenthesis) is directly accessing the attribute called name from the init (constructor) method. When bob's speak method is called it is the method which accesses the name attribute and returns it in a print statement. Hope this helps.

                    – sw123456
                    Aug 10 '15 at 8:48






                    3




                    3





                    No, you get the value of self.name, which for the bob object is actually bob.name, because the object's name is passed into the self parameter when it is created (instantiated). Again, hope this helps. Feel free to upvote main post if it has.

                    – sw123456
                    Aug 10 '15 at 9:18





                    No, you get the value of self.name, which for the bob object is actually bob.name, because the object's name is passed into the self parameter when it is created (instantiated). Again, hope this helps. Feel free to upvote main post if it has.

                    – sw123456
                    Aug 10 '15 at 9:18




                    2




                    2





                    Name is assigned to self.name at instantiation. After an object is created, all variables that belong to the object are those prefixed with 'self.' Remember that self is replaced with the object's name when it is created from the class.

                    – sw123456
                    Aug 10 '15 at 9:23





                    Name is assigned to self.name at instantiation. After an object is created, all variables that belong to the object are those prefixed with 'self.' Remember that self is replaced with the object's name when it is created from the class.

                    – sw123456
                    Aug 10 '15 at 9:23




                    3




                    3





                    This is how you explain stuff ! nice job :)

                    – penta
                    Nov 5 '17 at 9:44





                    This is how you explain stuff ! nice job :)

                    – penta
                    Nov 5 '17 at 9:44











                    67














                    I like this example:



                    class A: 
                    foo =
                    a, b = A(), A()
                    a.foo.append(5)
                    b.foo
                    ans: [5]

                    class A:
                    def __init__(self):
                    self.foo =
                    a, b = A(), A()
                    a.foo.append(5)
                    b.foo
                    ans:





                    share|improve this answer



















                    • 14





                      so vars without self is simply static vars of the class, like in java

                      – teddy teddy
                      Sep 7 '12 at 19:45






                    • 4





                      teddy teddy, you aren't entirely correct. The behavior (static or non-static like) depends not only on self but also on the variable type. Try to do the first example with simple integer instead of list. The result would be quite different.

                      – Konstantin
                      Mar 27 '14 at 19:18






                    • 1





                      Actually, my question with this is why are you allowed to say a.foo in the first example, rather than A.foo? Clearly foo belongs to the class...

                      – Radon Rosborough
                      Aug 6 '14 at 18:29











                    • You can call static members from instances of the object in most languages. Why is that surprising?

                      – Paarth
                      Oct 29 '14 at 0:25






                    • 1





                      @RadonRosborough Because in the first example, a and b are both labels (or pointers) for A() (the class). a.foo references the A().foo class method. In the second example, though, a becomes a reference to an instance of A(), as does b. Now that they are instances instead of the class object itself, self allows the foo method to operate on the instances.

                      – LegendaryDude
                      Jul 12 '17 at 17:07


















                    67














                    I like this example:



                    class A: 
                    foo =
                    a, b = A(), A()
                    a.foo.append(5)
                    b.foo
                    ans: [5]

                    class A:
                    def __init__(self):
                    self.foo =
                    a, b = A(), A()
                    a.foo.append(5)
                    b.foo
                    ans:





                    share|improve this answer



















                    • 14





                      so vars without self is simply static vars of the class, like in java

                      – teddy teddy
                      Sep 7 '12 at 19:45






                    • 4





                      teddy teddy, you aren't entirely correct. The behavior (static or non-static like) depends not only on self but also on the variable type. Try to do the first example with simple integer instead of list. The result would be quite different.

                      – Konstantin
                      Mar 27 '14 at 19:18






                    • 1





                      Actually, my question with this is why are you allowed to say a.foo in the first example, rather than A.foo? Clearly foo belongs to the class...

                      – Radon Rosborough
                      Aug 6 '14 at 18:29











                    • You can call static members from instances of the object in most languages. Why is that surprising?

                      – Paarth
                      Oct 29 '14 at 0:25






                    • 1





                      @RadonRosborough Because in the first example, a and b are both labels (or pointers) for A() (the class). a.foo references the A().foo class method. In the second example, though, a becomes a reference to an instance of A(), as does b. Now that they are instances instead of the class object itself, self allows the foo method to operate on the instances.

                      – LegendaryDude
                      Jul 12 '17 at 17:07
















                    67












                    67








                    67







                    I like this example:



                    class A: 
                    foo =
                    a, b = A(), A()
                    a.foo.append(5)
                    b.foo
                    ans: [5]

                    class A:
                    def __init__(self):
                    self.foo =
                    a, b = A(), A()
                    a.foo.append(5)
                    b.foo
                    ans:





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                    I like this example:



                    class A: 
                    foo =
                    a, b = A(), A()
                    a.foo.append(5)
                    b.foo
                    ans: [5]

                    class A:
                    def __init__(self):
                    self.foo =
                    a, b = A(), A()
                    a.foo.append(5)
                    b.foo
                    ans:






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                    answered Apr 26 '10 at 16:02









                    kamekame

                    6,3651975123




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                    • 14





                      so vars without self is simply static vars of the class, like in java

                      – teddy teddy
                      Sep 7 '12 at 19:45






                    • 4





                      teddy teddy, you aren't entirely correct. The behavior (static or non-static like) depends not only on self but also on the variable type. Try to do the first example with simple integer instead of list. The result would be quite different.

                      – Konstantin
                      Mar 27 '14 at 19:18






                    • 1





                      Actually, my question with this is why are you allowed to say a.foo in the first example, rather than A.foo? Clearly foo belongs to the class...

                      – Radon Rosborough
                      Aug 6 '14 at 18:29











                    • You can call static members from instances of the object in most languages. Why is that surprising?

                      – Paarth
                      Oct 29 '14 at 0:25






                    • 1





                      @RadonRosborough Because in the first example, a and b are both labels (or pointers) for A() (the class). a.foo references the A().foo class method. In the second example, though, a becomes a reference to an instance of A(), as does b. Now that they are instances instead of the class object itself, self allows the foo method to operate on the instances.

                      – LegendaryDude
                      Jul 12 '17 at 17:07
















                    • 14





                      so vars without self is simply static vars of the class, like in java

                      – teddy teddy
                      Sep 7 '12 at 19:45






                    • 4





                      teddy teddy, you aren't entirely correct. The behavior (static or non-static like) depends not only on self but also on the variable type. Try to do the first example with simple integer instead of list. The result would be quite different.

                      – Konstantin
                      Mar 27 '14 at 19:18






                    • 1





                      Actually, my question with this is why are you allowed to say a.foo in the first example, rather than A.foo? Clearly foo belongs to the class...

                      – Radon Rosborough
                      Aug 6 '14 at 18:29











                    • You can call static members from instances of the object in most languages. Why is that surprising?

                      – Paarth
                      Oct 29 '14 at 0:25






                    • 1





                      @RadonRosborough Because in the first example, a and b are both labels (or pointers) for A() (the class). a.foo references the A().foo class method. In the second example, though, a becomes a reference to an instance of A(), as does b. Now that they are instances instead of the class object itself, self allows the foo method to operate on the instances.

                      – LegendaryDude
                      Jul 12 '17 at 17:07










                    14




                    14





                    so vars without self is simply static vars of the class, like in java

                    – teddy teddy
                    Sep 7 '12 at 19:45





                    so vars without self is simply static vars of the class, like in java

                    – teddy teddy
                    Sep 7 '12 at 19:45




                    4




                    4





                    teddy teddy, you aren't entirely correct. The behavior (static or non-static like) depends not only on self but also on the variable type. Try to do the first example with simple integer instead of list. The result would be quite different.

                    – Konstantin
                    Mar 27 '14 at 19:18





                    teddy teddy, you aren't entirely correct. The behavior (static or non-static like) depends not only on self but also on the variable type. Try to do the first example with simple integer instead of list. The result would be quite different.

                    – Konstantin
                    Mar 27 '14 at 19:18




                    1




                    1





                    Actually, my question with this is why are you allowed to say a.foo in the first example, rather than A.foo? Clearly foo belongs to the class...

                    – Radon Rosborough
                    Aug 6 '14 at 18:29





                    Actually, my question with this is why are you allowed to say a.foo in the first example, rather than A.foo? Clearly foo belongs to the class...

                    – Radon Rosborough
                    Aug 6 '14 at 18:29













                    You can call static members from instances of the object in most languages. Why is that surprising?

                    – Paarth
                    Oct 29 '14 at 0:25





                    You can call static members from instances of the object in most languages. Why is that surprising?

                    – Paarth
                    Oct 29 '14 at 0:25




                    1




                    1





                    @RadonRosborough Because in the first example, a and b are both labels (or pointers) for A() (the class). a.foo references the A().foo class method. In the second example, though, a becomes a reference to an instance of A(), as does b. Now that they are instances instead of the class object itself, self allows the foo method to operate on the instances.

                    – LegendaryDude
                    Jul 12 '17 at 17:07







                    @RadonRosborough Because in the first example, a and b are both labels (or pointers) for A() (the class). a.foo references the A().foo class method. In the second example, though, a becomes a reference to an instance of A(), as does b. Now that they are instances instead of the class object itself, self allows the foo method to operate on the instances.

                    – LegendaryDude
                    Jul 12 '17 at 17:07













                    33














                    I will demonstrate with code that does not use classes:



                    def state_init(state):
                    state['field'] = 'init'

                    def state_add(state, x):
                    state['field'] += x

                    def state_mult(state, x):
                    state['field'] *= x

                    def state_getField(state):
                    return state['field']

                    myself = {}
                    state_init(myself)
                    state_add(myself, 'added')
                    state_mult(myself, 2)

                    print( state_getField(myself) )
                    #--> 'initaddedinitadded'


                    Classes are just a way to avoid passing in this "state" thing all the time (and other nice things like initializing, class composition, the rarely-needed metaclasses, and supporting custom methods to override operators).



                    Now let's demonstrate the above code using the built-in python class machinery, to show how it's basically the same thing.



                    class State(object):
                    def __init__(self):
                    self.field = 'init'
                    def add(self, x):
                    self.field += x
                    def mult(self, x):
                    self.field *= x

                    s = State()
                    s.add('added') # self is implicitly passed in
                    s.mult(2) # self is implicitly passed in
                    print( s.field )


                    [migrated my answer from duplicate closed question]






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                    • 1





                      I wish Python sugarcoated the handlers as well as Ruby does.

                      – Cees Timmerman
                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:18
















                    33














                    I will demonstrate with code that does not use classes:



                    def state_init(state):
                    state['field'] = 'init'

                    def state_add(state, x):
                    state['field'] += x

                    def state_mult(state, x):
                    state['field'] *= x

                    def state_getField(state):
                    return state['field']

                    myself = {}
                    state_init(myself)
                    state_add(myself, 'added')
                    state_mult(myself, 2)

                    print( state_getField(myself) )
                    #--> 'initaddedinitadded'


                    Classes are just a way to avoid passing in this "state" thing all the time (and other nice things like initializing, class composition, the rarely-needed metaclasses, and supporting custom methods to override operators).



                    Now let's demonstrate the above code using the built-in python class machinery, to show how it's basically the same thing.



                    class State(object):
                    def __init__(self):
                    self.field = 'init'
                    def add(self, x):
                    self.field += x
                    def mult(self, x):
                    self.field *= x

                    s = State()
                    s.add('added') # self is implicitly passed in
                    s.mult(2) # self is implicitly passed in
                    print( s.field )


                    [migrated my answer from duplicate closed question]






                    share|improve this answer



















                    • 1





                      I wish Python sugarcoated the handlers as well as Ruby does.

                      – Cees Timmerman
                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:18














                    33












                    33








                    33







                    I will demonstrate with code that does not use classes:



                    def state_init(state):
                    state['field'] = 'init'

                    def state_add(state, x):
                    state['field'] += x

                    def state_mult(state, x):
                    state['field'] *= x

                    def state_getField(state):
                    return state['field']

                    myself = {}
                    state_init(myself)
                    state_add(myself, 'added')
                    state_mult(myself, 2)

                    print( state_getField(myself) )
                    #--> 'initaddedinitadded'


                    Classes are just a way to avoid passing in this "state" thing all the time (and other nice things like initializing, class composition, the rarely-needed metaclasses, and supporting custom methods to override operators).



                    Now let's demonstrate the above code using the built-in python class machinery, to show how it's basically the same thing.



                    class State(object):
                    def __init__(self):
                    self.field = 'init'
                    def add(self, x):
                    self.field += x
                    def mult(self, x):
                    self.field *= x

                    s = State()
                    s.add('added') # self is implicitly passed in
                    s.mult(2) # self is implicitly passed in
                    print( s.field )


                    [migrated my answer from duplicate closed question]






                    share|improve this answer













                    I will demonstrate with code that does not use classes:



                    def state_init(state):
                    state['field'] = 'init'

                    def state_add(state, x):
                    state['field'] += x

                    def state_mult(state, x):
                    state['field'] *= x

                    def state_getField(state):
                    return state['field']

                    myself = {}
                    state_init(myself)
                    state_add(myself, 'added')
                    state_mult(myself, 2)

                    print( state_getField(myself) )
                    #--> 'initaddedinitadded'


                    Classes are just a way to avoid passing in this "state" thing all the time (and other nice things like initializing, class composition, the rarely-needed metaclasses, and supporting custom methods to override operators).



                    Now let's demonstrate the above code using the built-in python class machinery, to show how it's basically the same thing.



                    class State(object):
                    def __init__(self):
                    self.field = 'init'
                    def add(self, x):
                    self.field += x
                    def mult(self, x):
                    self.field *= x

                    s = State()
                    s.add('added') # self is implicitly passed in
                    s.mult(2) # self is implicitly passed in
                    print( s.field )


                    [migrated my answer from duplicate closed question]







                    share|improve this answer












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                    answered Jun 22 '11 at 0:27









                    ninjageckoninjagecko

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                    • 1





                      I wish Python sugarcoated the handlers as well as Ruby does.

                      – Cees Timmerman
                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:18














                    • 1





                      I wish Python sugarcoated the handlers as well as Ruby does.

                      – Cees Timmerman
                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:18








                    1




                    1





                    I wish Python sugarcoated the handlers as well as Ruby does.

                    – Cees Timmerman
                    Sep 21 '17 at 18:18





                    I wish Python sugarcoated the handlers as well as Ruby does.

                    – Cees Timmerman
                    Sep 21 '17 at 18:18











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                    As well as all the other reasons already stated, it allows for easier access to overridden methods; you can call Class.some_method(inst).



                    An example of where it’s useful:



                    class C1(object):
                    def __init__(self):
                    print "C1 init"

                    class C2(C1):
                    def __init__(self): #overrides C1.__init__
                    print "C2 init"
                    C1.__init__(self) #but we still want C1 to init the class too




                    >>> C2()
                    "C2 init"
                    "C1 init"





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                      As well as all the other reasons already stated, it allows for easier access to overridden methods; you can call Class.some_method(inst).



                      An example of where it’s useful:



                      class C1(object):
                      def __init__(self):
                      print "C1 init"

                      class C2(C1):
                      def __init__(self): #overrides C1.__init__
                      print "C2 init"
                      C1.__init__(self) #but we still want C1 to init the class too




                      >>> C2()
                      "C2 init"
                      "C1 init"





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                        17








                        17







                        As well as all the other reasons already stated, it allows for easier access to overridden methods; you can call Class.some_method(inst).



                        An example of where it’s useful:



                        class C1(object):
                        def __init__(self):
                        print "C1 init"

                        class C2(C1):
                        def __init__(self): #overrides C1.__init__
                        print "C2 init"
                        C1.__init__(self) #but we still want C1 to init the class too




                        >>> C2()
                        "C2 init"
                        "C1 init"





                        share|improve this answer















                        As well as all the other reasons already stated, it allows for easier access to overridden methods; you can call Class.some_method(inst).



                        An example of where it’s useful:



                        class C1(object):
                        def __init__(self):
                        print "C1 init"

                        class C2(C1):
                        def __init__(self): #overrides C1.__init__
                        print "C2 init"
                        C1.__init__(self) #but we still want C1 to init the class too




                        >>> C2()
                        "C2 init"
                        "C1 init"






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                        edited Dec 24 '13 at 22:23









                        Ry-

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                        answered Apr 25 '10 at 20:31









                        PonkadoodlePonkadoodle

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                            16














                            The following excerpts are from the Python documentation about self:




                            As in Modula-3, there are no shorthands [in Python] for referencing the object’s members from its methods: the method function is declared with an explicit first argument representing the object, which is provided implicitly by the call.



                            Often, the first argument of a method is called self. This is nothing more than a convention: the name self has absolutely no special meaning to Python. Note, however, that by not following the convention your code may be less readable to other Python programmers, and it is also conceivable that a class browser program might be written that relies upon such a convention.




                            For more information, see the Python documentation tutorial on classes.






                            share|improve this answer






























                              16














                              The following excerpts are from the Python documentation about self:




                              As in Modula-3, there are no shorthands [in Python] for referencing the object’s members from its methods: the method function is declared with an explicit first argument representing the object, which is provided implicitly by the call.



                              Often, the first argument of a method is called self. This is nothing more than a convention: the name self has absolutely no special meaning to Python. Note, however, that by not following the convention your code may be less readable to other Python programmers, and it is also conceivable that a class browser program might be written that relies upon such a convention.




                              For more information, see the Python documentation tutorial on classes.






                              share|improve this answer




























                                16












                                16








                                16







                                The following excerpts are from the Python documentation about self:




                                As in Modula-3, there are no shorthands [in Python] for referencing the object’s members from its methods: the method function is declared with an explicit first argument representing the object, which is provided implicitly by the call.



                                Often, the first argument of a method is called self. This is nothing more than a convention: the name self has absolutely no special meaning to Python. Note, however, that by not following the convention your code may be less readable to other Python programmers, and it is also conceivable that a class browser program might be written that relies upon such a convention.




                                For more information, see the Python documentation tutorial on classes.






                                share|improve this answer















                                The following excerpts are from the Python documentation about self:




                                As in Modula-3, there are no shorthands [in Python] for referencing the object’s members from its methods: the method function is declared with an explicit first argument representing the object, which is provided implicitly by the call.



                                Often, the first argument of a method is called self. This is nothing more than a convention: the name self has absolutely no special meaning to Python. Note, however, that by not following the convention your code may be less readable to other Python programmers, and it is also conceivable that a class browser program might be written that relies upon such a convention.




                                For more information, see the Python documentation tutorial on classes.







                                share|improve this answer














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                                edited Apr 26 '10 at 14:09

























                                answered Apr 25 '10 at 20:29









                                Matthew RankinMatthew Rankin

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                                    Python is not a language built for Object Oriented Programming unlike Java or C++.



                                    When calling a static method in Python, one simply writes a method with regular arguments inside it.



                                    class Animal():
                                    def staticMethod():
                                    print "This is a static method"


                                    However, an object method, which requires you to make a variable, which is an Animal, in this case, needs the self argument



                                    class Animal():
                                    def objectMethod(self):
                                    print "This is an object method which needs an instance of a class"


                                    The self method is also used to refer to a variable field within the class.



                                    class Animal():
                                    #animalName made in constructor
                                    def Animal(self):
                                    self.animalName = "";


                                    def getAnimalName(self):
                                    return self.animalName


                                    In this case, self is referring to the animalName variable of the entire class. REMEMBER: If you have a variable within a method, self will not work. That variable is simply existent only while that method is running. For defining fields (the variables of the entire class), you have to define them OUTSIDE the class methods.



                                    If you don't understand a single word of what I am saying, then Google "Object Oriented Programming." Once you understand this, you won't even need to ask that question :).






                                    share|improve this answer


























                                    • +1 because of the distinction between staticMethod() and objectMethod(self). I would like to add that in order to invoke the first, you would say Animal.staticMethod(), while objectMethod() needs an instance: a = Animal(); a.objectMethod()

                                      – Laryx Decidua
                                      Jul 24 '15 at 9:37













                                    • What you are saying isn't 100% true. That's just a convention. You can still call the static method from an object created. You just won't be able to use any class members because you didn't declare a self. I can even call Animal.objectMethod(animalObj) to call the non static. Basically this means a static method is only a method that doesn't use member variables. There shouldn't be any need to declare self. It's a silly language requirement I think. Languages like Lua and C++ give you obj variables behind the scenes.

                                      – user441521
                                      Jan 12 '16 at 18:20






                                    • 1





                                      The only answer that makes sense! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                      – john
                                      Jul 25 '17 at 1:47






                                    • 2





                                      @ytpillai Irrelevant. Confusing and incorrect code should not be presented as an answer.

                                      – Cees Timmerman
                                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:34






                                    • 1





                                      def getAnimalName to not clobber the string you're trying to return, and self refers to the instance of the class, not any field inside of it.

                                      – Cees Timmerman
                                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:38
















                                    12














                                    Python is not a language built for Object Oriented Programming unlike Java or C++.



                                    When calling a static method in Python, one simply writes a method with regular arguments inside it.



                                    class Animal():
                                    def staticMethod():
                                    print "This is a static method"


                                    However, an object method, which requires you to make a variable, which is an Animal, in this case, needs the self argument



                                    class Animal():
                                    def objectMethod(self):
                                    print "This is an object method which needs an instance of a class"


                                    The self method is also used to refer to a variable field within the class.



                                    class Animal():
                                    #animalName made in constructor
                                    def Animal(self):
                                    self.animalName = "";


                                    def getAnimalName(self):
                                    return self.animalName


                                    In this case, self is referring to the animalName variable of the entire class. REMEMBER: If you have a variable within a method, self will not work. That variable is simply existent only while that method is running. For defining fields (the variables of the entire class), you have to define them OUTSIDE the class methods.



                                    If you don't understand a single word of what I am saying, then Google "Object Oriented Programming." Once you understand this, you won't even need to ask that question :).






                                    share|improve this answer


























                                    • +1 because of the distinction between staticMethod() and objectMethod(self). I would like to add that in order to invoke the first, you would say Animal.staticMethod(), while objectMethod() needs an instance: a = Animal(); a.objectMethod()

                                      – Laryx Decidua
                                      Jul 24 '15 at 9:37













                                    • What you are saying isn't 100% true. That's just a convention. You can still call the static method from an object created. You just won't be able to use any class members because you didn't declare a self. I can even call Animal.objectMethod(animalObj) to call the non static. Basically this means a static method is only a method that doesn't use member variables. There shouldn't be any need to declare self. It's a silly language requirement I think. Languages like Lua and C++ give you obj variables behind the scenes.

                                      – user441521
                                      Jan 12 '16 at 18:20






                                    • 1





                                      The only answer that makes sense! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                      – john
                                      Jul 25 '17 at 1:47






                                    • 2





                                      @ytpillai Irrelevant. Confusing and incorrect code should not be presented as an answer.

                                      – Cees Timmerman
                                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:34






                                    • 1





                                      def getAnimalName to not clobber the string you're trying to return, and self refers to the instance of the class, not any field inside of it.

                                      – Cees Timmerman
                                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:38














                                    12












                                    12








                                    12







                                    Python is not a language built for Object Oriented Programming unlike Java or C++.



                                    When calling a static method in Python, one simply writes a method with regular arguments inside it.



                                    class Animal():
                                    def staticMethod():
                                    print "This is a static method"


                                    However, an object method, which requires you to make a variable, which is an Animal, in this case, needs the self argument



                                    class Animal():
                                    def objectMethod(self):
                                    print "This is an object method which needs an instance of a class"


                                    The self method is also used to refer to a variable field within the class.



                                    class Animal():
                                    #animalName made in constructor
                                    def Animal(self):
                                    self.animalName = "";


                                    def getAnimalName(self):
                                    return self.animalName


                                    In this case, self is referring to the animalName variable of the entire class. REMEMBER: If you have a variable within a method, self will not work. That variable is simply existent only while that method is running. For defining fields (the variables of the entire class), you have to define them OUTSIDE the class methods.



                                    If you don't understand a single word of what I am saying, then Google "Object Oriented Programming." Once you understand this, you won't even need to ask that question :).






                                    share|improve this answer















                                    Python is not a language built for Object Oriented Programming unlike Java or C++.



                                    When calling a static method in Python, one simply writes a method with regular arguments inside it.



                                    class Animal():
                                    def staticMethod():
                                    print "This is a static method"


                                    However, an object method, which requires you to make a variable, which is an Animal, in this case, needs the self argument



                                    class Animal():
                                    def objectMethod(self):
                                    print "This is an object method which needs an instance of a class"


                                    The self method is also used to refer to a variable field within the class.



                                    class Animal():
                                    #animalName made in constructor
                                    def Animal(self):
                                    self.animalName = "";


                                    def getAnimalName(self):
                                    return self.animalName


                                    In this case, self is referring to the animalName variable of the entire class. REMEMBER: If you have a variable within a method, self will not work. That variable is simply existent only while that method is running. For defining fields (the variables of the entire class), you have to define them OUTSIDE the class methods.



                                    If you don't understand a single word of what I am saying, then Google "Object Oriented Programming." Once you understand this, you won't even need to ask that question :).







                                    share|improve this answer














                                    share|improve this answer



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                                    edited Sep 21 '17 at 18:39

























                                    answered May 25 '15 at 16:04









                                    ytpillaiytpillai

                                    2,2001833




                                    2,2001833













                                    • +1 because of the distinction between staticMethod() and objectMethod(self). I would like to add that in order to invoke the first, you would say Animal.staticMethod(), while objectMethod() needs an instance: a = Animal(); a.objectMethod()

                                      – Laryx Decidua
                                      Jul 24 '15 at 9:37













                                    • What you are saying isn't 100% true. That's just a convention. You can still call the static method from an object created. You just won't be able to use any class members because you didn't declare a self. I can even call Animal.objectMethod(animalObj) to call the non static. Basically this means a static method is only a method that doesn't use member variables. There shouldn't be any need to declare self. It's a silly language requirement I think. Languages like Lua and C++ give you obj variables behind the scenes.

                                      – user441521
                                      Jan 12 '16 at 18:20






                                    • 1





                                      The only answer that makes sense! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                      – john
                                      Jul 25 '17 at 1:47






                                    • 2





                                      @ytpillai Irrelevant. Confusing and incorrect code should not be presented as an answer.

                                      – Cees Timmerman
                                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:34






                                    • 1





                                      def getAnimalName to not clobber the string you're trying to return, and self refers to the instance of the class, not any field inside of it.

                                      – Cees Timmerman
                                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:38



















                                    • +1 because of the distinction between staticMethod() and objectMethod(self). I would like to add that in order to invoke the first, you would say Animal.staticMethod(), while objectMethod() needs an instance: a = Animal(); a.objectMethod()

                                      – Laryx Decidua
                                      Jul 24 '15 at 9:37













                                    • What you are saying isn't 100% true. That's just a convention. You can still call the static method from an object created. You just won't be able to use any class members because you didn't declare a self. I can even call Animal.objectMethod(animalObj) to call the non static. Basically this means a static method is only a method that doesn't use member variables. There shouldn't be any need to declare self. It's a silly language requirement I think. Languages like Lua and C++ give you obj variables behind the scenes.

                                      – user441521
                                      Jan 12 '16 at 18:20






                                    • 1





                                      The only answer that makes sense! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                      – john
                                      Jul 25 '17 at 1:47






                                    • 2





                                      @ytpillai Irrelevant. Confusing and incorrect code should not be presented as an answer.

                                      – Cees Timmerman
                                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:34






                                    • 1





                                      def getAnimalName to not clobber the string you're trying to return, and self refers to the instance of the class, not any field inside of it.

                                      – Cees Timmerman
                                      Sep 21 '17 at 18:38

















                                    +1 because of the distinction between staticMethod() and objectMethod(self). I would like to add that in order to invoke the first, you would say Animal.staticMethod(), while objectMethod() needs an instance: a = Animal(); a.objectMethod()

                                    – Laryx Decidua
                                    Jul 24 '15 at 9:37







                                    +1 because of the distinction between staticMethod() and objectMethod(self). I would like to add that in order to invoke the first, you would say Animal.staticMethod(), while objectMethod() needs an instance: a = Animal(); a.objectMethod()

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                                    What you are saying isn't 100% true. That's just a convention. You can still call the static method from an object created. You just won't be able to use any class members because you didn't declare a self. I can even call Animal.objectMethod(animalObj) to call the non static. Basically this means a static method is only a method that doesn't use member variables. There shouldn't be any need to declare self. It's a silly language requirement I think. Languages like Lua and C++ give you obj variables behind the scenes.

                                    – user441521
                                    Jan 12 '16 at 18:20





                                    What you are saying isn't 100% true. That's just a convention. You can still call the static method from an object created. You just won't be able to use any class members because you didn't declare a self. I can even call Animal.objectMethod(animalObj) to call the non static. Basically this means a static method is only a method that doesn't use member variables. There shouldn't be any need to declare self. It's a silly language requirement I think. Languages like Lua and C++ give you obj variables behind the scenes.

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                                    The only answer that makes sense! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                                    The only answer that makes sense! Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                                    @ytpillai Irrelevant. Confusing and incorrect code should not be presented as an answer.

                                    – Cees Timmerman
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                                    @ytpillai Irrelevant. Confusing and incorrect code should not be presented as an answer.

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                                    def getAnimalName to not clobber the string you're trying to return, and self refers to the instance of the class, not any field inside of it.

                                    – Cees Timmerman
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                                    def getAnimalName to not clobber the string you're trying to return, and self refers to the instance of the class, not any field inside of it.

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                                    Its use is similar to the use of this keyword in Java, i.e. to give a reference to the current object.






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                                    Its use is similar to the use of this keyword in Java, i.e. to give a reference to the current object.






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                                    Its use is similar to the use of this keyword in Java, i.e. to give a reference to the current object.






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                                    Its use is similar to the use of this keyword in Java, i.e. to give a reference to the current object.







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                                    It’s there to follow the Python zen “explicit is better than implicit”. It’s indeed a reference to your class object. In Java and PHP, for example, it's called this.



                                    If user_type_name is a field on your model you access it by self.user_type_name.






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                                      It’s there to follow the Python zen “explicit is better than implicit”. It’s indeed a reference to your class object. In Java and PHP, for example, it's called this.



                                      If user_type_name is a field on your model you access it by self.user_type_name.






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                                        It’s there to follow the Python zen “explicit is better than implicit”. It’s indeed a reference to your class object. In Java and PHP, for example, it's called this.



                                        If user_type_name is a field on your model you access it by self.user_type_name.






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                                        It’s there to follow the Python zen “explicit is better than implicit”. It’s indeed a reference to your class object. In Java and PHP, for example, it's called this.



                                        If user_type_name is a field on your model you access it by self.user_type_name.







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                                            self is an object reference to the object itself, therefore, they are same.
                                            Python methods are not called in the context of the object itself.
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                                              self is an object reference to the object itself, therefore, they are same.
                                              Python methods are not called in the context of the object itself.
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                                                self is an object reference to the object itself, therefore, they are same.
                                                Python methods are not called in the context of the object itself.
                                                self in Python may be used to deal with custom object models or something.






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                                                self is an object reference to the object itself, therefore, they are same.
                                                Python methods are not called in the context of the object itself.
                                                self in Python may be used to deal with custom object models or something.







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                                                    I'm surprised nobody has brought up Lua. Lua also uses the 'self' variable however it can be omitted but still used. C++ does the same with 'this'. I don't see any reason to have to declare 'self' in each function but you should still be able to use it just like you can with lua and C++. For a language that prides itself on being brief it's odd that it requires you to declare the self variable.






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                                                      I'm surprised nobody has brought up Lua. Lua also uses the 'self' variable however it can be omitted but still used. C++ does the same with 'this'. I don't see any reason to have to declare 'self' in each function but you should still be able to use it just like you can with lua and C++. For a language that prides itself on being brief it's odd that it requires you to declare the self variable.






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                                                        I'm surprised nobody has brought up Lua. Lua also uses the 'self' variable however it can be omitted but still used. C++ does the same with 'this'. I don't see any reason to have to declare 'self' in each function but you should still be able to use it just like you can with lua and C++. For a language that prides itself on being brief it's odd that it requires you to declare the self variable.






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                                                        I'm surprised nobody has brought up Lua. Lua also uses the 'self' variable however it can be omitted but still used. C++ does the same with 'this'. I don't see any reason to have to declare 'self' in each function but you should still be able to use it just like you can with lua and C++. For a language that prides itself on being brief it's odd that it requires you to declare the self variable.







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                                                            First of all, self is a conventional name, you could put anything else (being coherent) in its stead.



                                                            It refers to the object itself, so when you are using it, you are declaring that .name and .age are properties of the Student objects (note, not of the Student class) you are going to create.



                                                            class Student:
                                                            #called each time you create a new Student instance
                                                            def __init__(self,name,age): #special method to initialize
                                                            self.name=name
                                                            self.age=age

                                                            def __str__(self): #special method called for example when you use print
                                                            return "Student %s is %s years old" %(self.name,self.age)

                                                            def call(self, msg): #silly example for custom method
                                                            return ("Hey, %s! "+msg) %self.name

                                                            #initializing two instances of the student class
                                                            bob=Student("Bob",20)
                                                            alice=Student("Alice",19)

                                                            #using them
                                                            print bob.name
                                                            print bob.age
                                                            print alice #this one only works if you define the __str__ method
                                                            print alice.call("Come here!") #notice you don't put a value for self

                                                            #you can modify attributes, like when alice ages
                                                            alice.age=20
                                                            print alice


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                                                              First of all, self is a conventional name, you could put anything else (being coherent) in its stead.



                                                              It refers to the object itself, so when you are using it, you are declaring that .name and .age are properties of the Student objects (note, not of the Student class) you are going to create.



                                                              class Student:
                                                              #called each time you create a new Student instance
                                                              def __init__(self,name,age): #special method to initialize
                                                              self.name=name
                                                              self.age=age

                                                              def __str__(self): #special method called for example when you use print
                                                              return "Student %s is %s years old" %(self.name,self.age)

                                                              def call(self, msg): #silly example for custom method
                                                              return ("Hey, %s! "+msg) %self.name

                                                              #initializing two instances of the student class
                                                              bob=Student("Bob",20)
                                                              alice=Student("Alice",19)

                                                              #using them
                                                              print bob.name
                                                              print bob.age
                                                              print alice #this one only works if you define the __str__ method
                                                              print alice.call("Come here!") #notice you don't put a value for self

                                                              #you can modify attributes, like when alice ages
                                                              alice.age=20
                                                              print alice


                                                              Code is here






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                                                                First of all, self is a conventional name, you could put anything else (being coherent) in its stead.



                                                                It refers to the object itself, so when you are using it, you are declaring that .name and .age are properties of the Student objects (note, not of the Student class) you are going to create.



                                                                class Student:
                                                                #called each time you create a new Student instance
                                                                def __init__(self,name,age): #special method to initialize
                                                                self.name=name
                                                                self.age=age

                                                                def __str__(self): #special method called for example when you use print
                                                                return "Student %s is %s years old" %(self.name,self.age)

                                                                def call(self, msg): #silly example for custom method
                                                                return ("Hey, %s! "+msg) %self.name

                                                                #initializing two instances of the student class
                                                                bob=Student("Bob",20)
                                                                alice=Student("Alice",19)

                                                                #using them
                                                                print bob.name
                                                                print bob.age
                                                                print alice #this one only works if you define the __str__ method
                                                                print alice.call("Come here!") #notice you don't put a value for self

                                                                #you can modify attributes, like when alice ages
                                                                alice.age=20
                                                                print alice


                                                                Code is here






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                                                                First of all, self is a conventional name, you could put anything else (being coherent) in its stead.



                                                                It refers to the object itself, so when you are using it, you are declaring that .name and .age are properties of the Student objects (note, not of the Student class) you are going to create.



                                                                class Student:
                                                                #called each time you create a new Student instance
                                                                def __init__(self,name,age): #special method to initialize
                                                                self.name=name
                                                                self.age=age

                                                                def __str__(self): #special method called for example when you use print
                                                                return "Student %s is %s years old" %(self.name,self.age)

                                                                def call(self, msg): #silly example for custom method
                                                                return ("Hey, %s! "+msg) %self.name

                                                                #initializing two instances of the student class
                                                                bob=Student("Bob",20)
                                                                alice=Student("Alice",19)

                                                                #using them
                                                                print bob.name
                                                                print bob.age
                                                                print alice #this one only works if you define the __str__ method
                                                                print alice.call("Come here!") #notice you don't put a value for self

                                                                #you can modify attributes, like when alice ages
                                                                alice.age=20
                                                                print alice


                                                                Code is here







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                                                                    Take a look at the following example, which clearly explains the purpose of self



                                                                    class Restaurant(object):  
                                                                    bankrupt = False

                                                                    def open_branch(self):
                                                                    if not self.bankrupt:
                                                                    print("branch opened")

                                                                    #create instance1
                                                                    >>> x = Restaurant()
                                                                    >>> x.bankrupt
                                                                    False

                                                                    #create instance2
                                                                    >>> y = Restaurant()
                                                                    >>> y.bankrupt = True
                                                                    >>> y.bankrupt
                                                                    True

                                                                    >>> x.bankrupt
                                                                    False


                                                                    self is used/needed to distinguish between instances.






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                                                                    • Yes, I think we know why self is used, but the question is why does the language make you explicitly declare it. Many other languages don't require this and a language which prides itself on being brief, you'd think they would just give you the variable behind the scenes to use like Lua or C++ (this) does.

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                                                                      @kmario23 You're response was from here: pythontips.com/2013/08/07/the-self-variable-in-python-explained Please always acknowledge original authors when posting answers as your own.

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                                                                    Take a look at the following example, which clearly explains the purpose of self



                                                                    class Restaurant(object):  
                                                                    bankrupt = False

                                                                    def open_branch(self):
                                                                    if not self.bankrupt:
                                                                    print("branch opened")

                                                                    #create instance1
                                                                    >>> x = Restaurant()
                                                                    >>> x.bankrupt
                                                                    False

                                                                    #create instance2
                                                                    >>> y = Restaurant()
                                                                    >>> y.bankrupt = True
                                                                    >>> y.bankrupt
                                                                    True

                                                                    >>> x.bankrupt
                                                                    False


                                                                    self is used/needed to distinguish between instances.






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                                                                    • Yes, I think we know why self is used, but the question is why does the language make you explicitly declare it. Many other languages don't require this and a language which prides itself on being brief, you'd think they would just give you the variable behind the scenes to use like Lua or C++ (this) does.

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                                                                      @kmario23 You're response was from here: pythontips.com/2013/08/07/the-self-variable-in-python-explained Please always acknowledge original authors when posting answers as your own.

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                                                                    Take a look at the following example, which clearly explains the purpose of self



                                                                    class Restaurant(object):  
                                                                    bankrupt = False

                                                                    def open_branch(self):
                                                                    if not self.bankrupt:
                                                                    print("branch opened")

                                                                    #create instance1
                                                                    >>> x = Restaurant()
                                                                    >>> x.bankrupt
                                                                    False

                                                                    #create instance2
                                                                    >>> y = Restaurant()
                                                                    >>> y.bankrupt = True
                                                                    >>> y.bankrupt
                                                                    True

                                                                    >>> x.bankrupt
                                                                    False


                                                                    self is used/needed to distinguish between instances.






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                                                                    Take a look at the following example, which clearly explains the purpose of self



                                                                    class Restaurant(object):  
                                                                    bankrupt = False

                                                                    def open_branch(self):
                                                                    if not self.bankrupt:
                                                                    print("branch opened")

                                                                    #create instance1
                                                                    >>> x = Restaurant()
                                                                    >>> x.bankrupt
                                                                    False

                                                                    #create instance2
                                                                    >>> y = Restaurant()
                                                                    >>> y.bankrupt = True
                                                                    >>> y.bankrupt
                                                                    True

                                                                    >>> x.bankrupt
                                                                    False


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                                                                    • Yes, I think we know why self is used, but the question is why does the language make you explicitly declare it. Many other languages don't require this and a language which prides itself on being brief, you'd think they would just give you the variable behind the scenes to use like Lua or C++ (this) does.

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                                                                      Jan 12 '16 at 18:13






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                                                                      @kmario23 You're response was from here: pythontips.com/2013/08/07/the-self-variable-in-python-explained Please always acknowledge original authors when posting answers as your own.

                                                                      – geekidharsh
                                                                      Apr 13 '18 at 18:12





















                                                                    • Yes, I think we know why self is used, but the question is why does the language make you explicitly declare it. Many other languages don't require this and a language which prides itself on being brief, you'd think they would just give you the variable behind the scenes to use like Lua or C++ (this) does.

                                                                      – user441521
                                                                      Jan 12 '16 at 18:13






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                                                                      @kmario23 You're response was from here: pythontips.com/2013/08/07/the-self-variable-in-python-explained Please always acknowledge original authors when posting answers as your own.

                                                                      – geekidharsh
                                                                      Apr 13 '18 at 18:12



















                                                                    Yes, I think we know why self is used, but the question is why does the language make you explicitly declare it. Many other languages don't require this and a language which prides itself on being brief, you'd think they would just give you the variable behind the scenes to use like Lua or C++ (this) does.

                                                                    – user441521
                                                                    Jan 12 '16 at 18:13





                                                                    Yes, I think we know why self is used, but the question is why does the language make you explicitly declare it. Many other languages don't require this and a language which prides itself on being brief, you'd think they would just give you the variable behind the scenes to use like Lua or C++ (this) does.

                                                                    – user441521
                                                                    Jan 12 '16 at 18:13




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                                                                    @kmario23 You're response was from here: pythontips.com/2013/08/07/the-self-variable-in-python-explained Please always acknowledge original authors when posting answers as your own.

                                                                    – geekidharsh
                                                                    Apr 13 '18 at 18:12







                                                                    @kmario23 You're response was from here: pythontips.com/2013/08/07/the-self-variable-in-python-explained Please always acknowledge original authors when posting answers as your own.

                                                                    – geekidharsh
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                                                                    Is because by the way python is designed the alternatives would hardly work. Python is designed to allow methods or functions to be defined in a context where both implicit this (a-la Java/C++) or explicit @ (a-la ruby) wouldn't work. Let's have an example with the explicit approach with python conventions:



                                                                    def fubar(x):
                                                                    self.x = x

                                                                    class C:
                                                                    frob = fubar


                                                                    Now the fubar function wouldn't work since it would assume that self is a global variable (and in frob as well). The alternative would be to execute method's with a replaced global scope (where self is the object).



                                                                    The implicit approach would be



                                                                    def fubar(x)
                                                                    myX = x

                                                                    class C:
                                                                    frob = fubar


                                                                    This would mean that myX would be interpreted as a local variable in fubar (and in frob as well). The alternative here would be to execute methods with a replaced local scope which is retained between calls, but that would remove the posibility of method local variables.



                                                                    However the current situation works out well:



                                                                     def fubar(self, x)
                                                                    self.x = x

                                                                    class C:
                                                                    frob = fubar


                                                                    here when called as a method frob will receive the object on which it's called via the self parameter, and fubar can still be called with an object as parameter and work the same (it is the same as C.frob I think).






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                                                                      Is because by the way python is designed the alternatives would hardly work. Python is designed to allow methods or functions to be defined in a context where both implicit this (a-la Java/C++) or explicit @ (a-la ruby) wouldn't work. Let's have an example with the explicit approach with python conventions:



                                                                      def fubar(x):
                                                                      self.x = x

                                                                      class C:
                                                                      frob = fubar


                                                                      Now the fubar function wouldn't work since it would assume that self is a global variable (and in frob as well). The alternative would be to execute method's with a replaced global scope (where self is the object).



                                                                      The implicit approach would be



                                                                      def fubar(x)
                                                                      myX = x

                                                                      class C:
                                                                      frob = fubar


                                                                      This would mean that myX would be interpreted as a local variable in fubar (and in frob as well). The alternative here would be to execute methods with a replaced local scope which is retained between calls, but that would remove the posibility of method local variables.



                                                                      However the current situation works out well:



                                                                       def fubar(self, x)
                                                                      self.x = x

                                                                      class C:
                                                                      frob = fubar


                                                                      here when called as a method frob will receive the object on which it's called via the self parameter, and fubar can still be called with an object as parameter and work the same (it is the same as C.frob I think).






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                                                                        Is because by the way python is designed the alternatives would hardly work. Python is designed to allow methods or functions to be defined in a context where both implicit this (a-la Java/C++) or explicit @ (a-la ruby) wouldn't work. Let's have an example with the explicit approach with python conventions:



                                                                        def fubar(x):
                                                                        self.x = x

                                                                        class C:
                                                                        frob = fubar


                                                                        Now the fubar function wouldn't work since it would assume that self is a global variable (and in frob as well). The alternative would be to execute method's with a replaced global scope (where self is the object).



                                                                        The implicit approach would be



                                                                        def fubar(x)
                                                                        myX = x

                                                                        class C:
                                                                        frob = fubar


                                                                        This would mean that myX would be interpreted as a local variable in fubar (and in frob as well). The alternative here would be to execute methods with a replaced local scope which is retained between calls, but that would remove the posibility of method local variables.



                                                                        However the current situation works out well:



                                                                         def fubar(self, x)
                                                                        self.x = x

                                                                        class C:
                                                                        frob = fubar


                                                                        here when called as a method frob will receive the object on which it's called via the self parameter, and fubar can still be called with an object as parameter and work the same (it is the same as C.frob I think).






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                                                                        Is because by the way python is designed the alternatives would hardly work. Python is designed to allow methods or functions to be defined in a context where both implicit this (a-la Java/C++) or explicit @ (a-la ruby) wouldn't work. Let's have an example with the explicit approach with python conventions:



                                                                        def fubar(x):
                                                                        self.x = x

                                                                        class C:
                                                                        frob = fubar


                                                                        Now the fubar function wouldn't work since it would assume that self is a global variable (and in frob as well). The alternative would be to execute method's with a replaced global scope (where self is the object).



                                                                        The implicit approach would be



                                                                        def fubar(x)
                                                                        myX = x

                                                                        class C:
                                                                        frob = fubar


                                                                        This would mean that myX would be interpreted as a local variable in fubar (and in frob as well). The alternative here would be to execute methods with a replaced local scope which is retained between calls, but that would remove the posibility of method local variables.



                                                                        However the current situation works out well:



                                                                         def fubar(self, x)
                                                                        self.x = x

                                                                        class C:
                                                                        frob = fubar


                                                                        here when called as a method frob will receive the object on which it's called via the self parameter, and fubar can still be called with an object as parameter and work the same (it is the same as C.frob I think).







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                                                                            The use of the argument, conventionally called self isn't as hard to understand, as is why is it necessary? Or as to why explicitly mention it? That, I suppose, is a bigger question for most users who look up this question, or if it is not, they will certainly have the same question as they move forward learning python. I recommend them to read these couple of blogs:



                                                                            1: Use of self explained



                                                                            Note that it is not a keyword.




                                                                            The first argument of every class method, including init, is always a reference to the current instance of the class. By convention, this argument is always named self. In the init method, self refers to the newly created object; in other class methods, it refers to the instance whose method was called. For example the below code is the same as the above code.




                                                                            2: Why do we have it this way and why can we not eliminate it as an argument, like Java, and have a keyword instead



                                                                            Another thing I would like to add is, an optional self argument allows me to declare static methods inside a class, by not writing self.



                                                                            Code examples:



                                                                            class MyClass():
                                                                            def staticMethod():
                                                                            print "This is a static method"

                                                                            def objectMethod(self):
                                                                            print "This is an object method which needs an instance of a class, and that is what self refers to"


                                                                            PS:This works only in Python 3.x.



                                                                            In previous versions, you have to explicitly add @staticmethod decorator, otherwise self argument is obligatory.






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                                                                              The use of the argument, conventionally called self isn't as hard to understand, as is why is it necessary? Or as to why explicitly mention it? That, I suppose, is a bigger question for most users who look up this question, or if it is not, they will certainly have the same question as they move forward learning python. I recommend them to read these couple of blogs:



                                                                              1: Use of self explained



                                                                              Note that it is not a keyword.




                                                                              The first argument of every class method, including init, is always a reference to the current instance of the class. By convention, this argument is always named self. In the init method, self refers to the newly created object; in other class methods, it refers to the instance whose method was called. For example the below code is the same as the above code.




                                                                              2: Why do we have it this way and why can we not eliminate it as an argument, like Java, and have a keyword instead



                                                                              Another thing I would like to add is, an optional self argument allows me to declare static methods inside a class, by not writing self.



                                                                              Code examples:



                                                                              class MyClass():
                                                                              def staticMethod():
                                                                              print "This is a static method"

                                                                              def objectMethod(self):
                                                                              print "This is an object method which needs an instance of a class, and that is what self refers to"


                                                                              PS:This works only in Python 3.x.



                                                                              In previous versions, you have to explicitly add @staticmethod decorator, otherwise self argument is obligatory.






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                                                                                The use of the argument, conventionally called self isn't as hard to understand, as is why is it necessary? Or as to why explicitly mention it? That, I suppose, is a bigger question for most users who look up this question, or if it is not, they will certainly have the same question as they move forward learning python. I recommend them to read these couple of blogs:



                                                                                1: Use of self explained



                                                                                Note that it is not a keyword.




                                                                                The first argument of every class method, including init, is always a reference to the current instance of the class. By convention, this argument is always named self. In the init method, self refers to the newly created object; in other class methods, it refers to the instance whose method was called. For example the below code is the same as the above code.




                                                                                2: Why do we have it this way and why can we not eliminate it as an argument, like Java, and have a keyword instead



                                                                                Another thing I would like to add is, an optional self argument allows me to declare static methods inside a class, by not writing self.



                                                                                Code examples:



                                                                                class MyClass():
                                                                                def staticMethod():
                                                                                print "This is a static method"

                                                                                def objectMethod(self):
                                                                                print "This is an object method which needs an instance of a class, and that is what self refers to"


                                                                                PS:This works only in Python 3.x.



                                                                                In previous versions, you have to explicitly add @staticmethod decorator, otherwise self argument is obligatory.






                                                                                share|improve this answer















                                                                                The use of the argument, conventionally called self isn't as hard to understand, as is why is it necessary? Or as to why explicitly mention it? That, I suppose, is a bigger question for most users who look up this question, or if it is not, they will certainly have the same question as they move forward learning python. I recommend them to read these couple of blogs:



                                                                                1: Use of self explained



                                                                                Note that it is not a keyword.




                                                                                The first argument of every class method, including init, is always a reference to the current instance of the class. By convention, this argument is always named self. In the init method, self refers to the newly created object; in other class methods, it refers to the instance whose method was called. For example the below code is the same as the above code.




                                                                                2: Why do we have it this way and why can we not eliminate it as an argument, like Java, and have a keyword instead



                                                                                Another thing I would like to add is, an optional self argument allows me to declare static methods inside a class, by not writing self.



                                                                                Code examples:



                                                                                class MyClass():
                                                                                def staticMethod():
                                                                                print "This is a static method"

                                                                                def objectMethod(self):
                                                                                print "This is an object method which needs an instance of a class, and that is what self refers to"


                                                                                PS:This works only in Python 3.x.



                                                                                In previous versions, you have to explicitly add @staticmethod decorator, otherwise self argument is obligatory.







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                                                                                    In the __init__ method, self refers to the newly created object; in other class methods, it refers to the instance whose method was called.



                                                                                    self, as a name, is just a convention, call it as you want ! but when using it, for example to delete the object, you have to use the same name: __del__(var), where var was used in the __init__(var,[...])



                                                                                    You should take a look at cls too, to have the bigger picture. This post could be helpful.






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                                                                                      In the __init__ method, self refers to the newly created object; in other class methods, it refers to the instance whose method was called.



                                                                                      self, as a name, is just a convention, call it as you want ! but when using it, for example to delete the object, you have to use the same name: __del__(var), where var was used in the __init__(var,[...])



                                                                                      You should take a look at cls too, to have the bigger picture. This post could be helpful.






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                                                                                        In the __init__ method, self refers to the newly created object; in other class methods, it refers to the instance whose method was called.



                                                                                        self, as a name, is just a convention, call it as you want ! but when using it, for example to delete the object, you have to use the same name: __del__(var), where var was used in the __init__(var,[...])



                                                                                        You should take a look at cls too, to have the bigger picture. This post could be helpful.






                                                                                        share|improve this answer















                                                                                        In the __init__ method, self refers to the newly created object; in other class methods, it refers to the instance whose method was called.



                                                                                        self, as a name, is just a convention, call it as you want ! but when using it, for example to delete the object, you have to use the same name: __del__(var), where var was used in the __init__(var,[...])



                                                                                        You should take a look at cls too, to have the bigger picture. This post could be helpful.







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                                                                                            it's an explicit reference to the class instance object.






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                                                                                              I don't think this helps richzilla to understand the reason behind it.

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                                                                                            • @SilentGhost: you have nailed it. I am impressed. if I understand it correctly: I do create an object as an instance of the defined class and the self parameter refers to that object? I understand self refers in implicit way to the class itself but it would be great if you explain your answer a bit more.

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                                                                                            it's an explicit reference to the class instance object.






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                                                                                              I don't think this helps richzilla to understand the reason behind it.

                                                                                              – Georg Schölly
                                                                                              Apr 25 '10 at 20:30











                                                                                            • @SilentGhost: you have nailed it. I am impressed. if I understand it correctly: I do create an object as an instance of the defined class and the self parameter refers to that object? I understand self refers in implicit way to the class itself but it would be great if you explain your answer a bit more.

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                                                                                            it's an explicit reference to the class instance object.






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                                                                                              I don't think this helps richzilla to understand the reason behind it.

                                                                                              – Georg Schölly
                                                                                              Apr 25 '10 at 20:30











                                                                                            • @SilentGhost: you have nailed it. I am impressed. if I understand it correctly: I do create an object as an instance of the defined class and the self parameter refers to that object? I understand self refers in implicit way to the class itself but it would be great if you explain your answer a bit more.

                                                                                              – BlueTomato
                                                                                              Oct 9 '17 at 14:51














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                                                                                              I don't think this helps richzilla to understand the reason behind it.

                                                                                              – Georg Schölly
                                                                                              Apr 25 '10 at 20:30











                                                                                            • @SilentGhost: you have nailed it. I am impressed. if I understand it correctly: I do create an object as an instance of the defined class and the self parameter refers to that object? I understand self refers in implicit way to the class itself but it would be great if you explain your answer a bit more.

                                                                                              – BlueTomato
                                                                                              Oct 9 '17 at 14:51








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                                                                                            I don't think this helps richzilla to understand the reason behind it.

                                                                                            – Georg Schölly
                                                                                            Apr 25 '10 at 20:30





                                                                                            I don't think this helps richzilla to understand the reason behind it.

                                                                                            – Georg Schölly
                                                                                            Apr 25 '10 at 20:30













                                                                                            @SilentGhost: you have nailed it. I am impressed. if I understand it correctly: I do create an object as an instance of the defined class and the self parameter refers to that object? I understand self refers in implicit way to the class itself but it would be great if you explain your answer a bit more.

                                                                                            – BlueTomato
                                                                                            Oct 9 '17 at 14:51





                                                                                            @SilentGhost: you have nailed it. I am impressed. if I understand it correctly: I do create an object as an instance of the defined class and the self parameter refers to that object? I understand self refers in implicit way to the class itself but it would be great if you explain your answer a bit more.

                                                                                            – BlueTomato
                                                                                            Oct 9 '17 at 14:51





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