NMDS gives conflicting results to ANOSIM and ADONIS












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I am testing differences in community composition between fished and no-take areas, and while the nmds seems to indicate the two levels overlap considerably, ANOSIM and ADONIS suggest there are significant differences. Have I done something wrong or is there a reason for this significant difference that I can't see?



species

env=species[,1]
species=species[,-1]
species = species[,colSums(species) > 2]

nmds=metaMDS(species, distance="bray", k=3, type="n", trymax=100)
nmds
env$Protection=as.factor(env$Protection)
pointvec <- c(21, 21)
bgvec <- c("black","white")
with(env, levels(Protection))
plot(nmds,type="n",xaxt='n',xlab="",cex.lab=1.5,cex.axis=1.4,xlim=c(-1.5,1.5),ylim=c(-1.2,1))
axis(side=1)
with(env, points(nmds,pch=pointvec[Protection],cex=1,bg = bgvec[Protection],type="p" ,display="sites"))
ordiellipse(nmds, groups=env$Protection, kind = "se", conf = 0.95)
legend("topleft", "A", bty="n",cex=1.5,inset=-0.02,adj=1)
legend("bottomright", "Stress = 0.182", bty="n",cex=1.5)
with(env,legend("topright", legend = levels(Protection),inset=-0.007,cex=1.5,bty="n",pt.bg = bgvec,pch=pointvec))


nmds plot showing close overlap of groups



spe.dist <- vegdist(species,method='bray')
spe.ano <- anosim(spe.dist, env$Protection)
summary(spe.ano)

#Call:
#anosim(x = spe.dist, grouping = env$Protection)
#Dissimilarity: bray

#ANOSIM statistic R: 0.04693
#Significance: 0.029

#Permutation: free
#Number of permutations: 999

#Upper quantiles of permutations (null model):
#90% 95% 97.5% 99%
#0.0290 0.0398 0.0487 0.0593

#Dissimilarity ranks between and within classes:
# 0% 25% 50% 75% 100% N
#Between 1 655.625 1193.50 1771.25 2317 1184
#fished 3 750.500 1360.00 1896.50 2317 666
#no-take 2 358.125 837.25 1525.00 2285 496


And then the permanova gives a similar result



adonis(species~env$Protection,method='bray')

#Call:
#adonis(formula = species ~ env$Protection, method = "bray")
#Permutation: free
#Number of permutations: 999
#Terms added sequentially (first to last)

# Df SumsOfSqs MeanSqs F.Model R2 Pr(>F)
#env$Protection 1 0.9517 0.95174 2.8946 0.04141 0.002 **
#Residuals 67 22.0296 0.32880 0.95859
#Total 68 22.9813 1.00000
#---
#Signif. codes: 0 ‘***’ 0.001 ‘**’ 0.01 ‘*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1









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    I am testing differences in community composition between fished and no-take areas, and while the nmds seems to indicate the two levels overlap considerably, ANOSIM and ADONIS suggest there are significant differences. Have I done something wrong or is there a reason for this significant difference that I can't see?



    species

    env=species[,1]
    species=species[,-1]
    species = species[,colSums(species) > 2]

    nmds=metaMDS(species, distance="bray", k=3, type="n", trymax=100)
    nmds
    env$Protection=as.factor(env$Protection)
    pointvec <- c(21, 21)
    bgvec <- c("black","white")
    with(env, levels(Protection))
    plot(nmds,type="n",xaxt='n',xlab="",cex.lab=1.5,cex.axis=1.4,xlim=c(-1.5,1.5),ylim=c(-1.2,1))
    axis(side=1)
    with(env, points(nmds,pch=pointvec[Protection],cex=1,bg = bgvec[Protection],type="p" ,display="sites"))
    ordiellipse(nmds, groups=env$Protection, kind = "se", conf = 0.95)
    legend("topleft", "A", bty="n",cex=1.5,inset=-0.02,adj=1)
    legend("bottomright", "Stress = 0.182", bty="n",cex=1.5)
    with(env,legend("topright", legend = levels(Protection),inset=-0.007,cex=1.5,bty="n",pt.bg = bgvec,pch=pointvec))


    nmds plot showing close overlap of groups



    spe.dist <- vegdist(species,method='bray')
    spe.ano <- anosim(spe.dist, env$Protection)
    summary(spe.ano)

    #Call:
    #anosim(x = spe.dist, grouping = env$Protection)
    #Dissimilarity: bray

    #ANOSIM statistic R: 0.04693
    #Significance: 0.029

    #Permutation: free
    #Number of permutations: 999

    #Upper quantiles of permutations (null model):
    #90% 95% 97.5% 99%
    #0.0290 0.0398 0.0487 0.0593

    #Dissimilarity ranks between and within classes:
    # 0% 25% 50% 75% 100% N
    #Between 1 655.625 1193.50 1771.25 2317 1184
    #fished 3 750.500 1360.00 1896.50 2317 666
    #no-take 2 358.125 837.25 1525.00 2285 496


    And then the permanova gives a similar result



    adonis(species~env$Protection,method='bray')

    #Call:
    #adonis(formula = species ~ env$Protection, method = "bray")
    #Permutation: free
    #Number of permutations: 999
    #Terms added sequentially (first to last)

    # Df SumsOfSqs MeanSqs F.Model R2 Pr(>F)
    #env$Protection 1 0.9517 0.95174 2.8946 0.04141 0.002 **
    #Residuals 67 22.0296 0.32880 0.95859
    #Total 68 22.9813 1.00000
    #---
    #Signif. codes: 0 ‘***’ 0.001 ‘**’ 0.01 ‘*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1









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      I am testing differences in community composition between fished and no-take areas, and while the nmds seems to indicate the two levels overlap considerably, ANOSIM and ADONIS suggest there are significant differences. Have I done something wrong or is there a reason for this significant difference that I can't see?



      species

      env=species[,1]
      species=species[,-1]
      species = species[,colSums(species) > 2]

      nmds=metaMDS(species, distance="bray", k=3, type="n", trymax=100)
      nmds
      env$Protection=as.factor(env$Protection)
      pointvec <- c(21, 21)
      bgvec <- c("black","white")
      with(env, levels(Protection))
      plot(nmds,type="n",xaxt='n',xlab="",cex.lab=1.5,cex.axis=1.4,xlim=c(-1.5,1.5),ylim=c(-1.2,1))
      axis(side=1)
      with(env, points(nmds,pch=pointvec[Protection],cex=1,bg = bgvec[Protection],type="p" ,display="sites"))
      ordiellipse(nmds, groups=env$Protection, kind = "se", conf = 0.95)
      legend("topleft", "A", bty="n",cex=1.5,inset=-0.02,adj=1)
      legend("bottomright", "Stress = 0.182", bty="n",cex=1.5)
      with(env,legend("topright", legend = levels(Protection),inset=-0.007,cex=1.5,bty="n",pt.bg = bgvec,pch=pointvec))


      nmds plot showing close overlap of groups



      spe.dist <- vegdist(species,method='bray')
      spe.ano <- anosim(spe.dist, env$Protection)
      summary(spe.ano)

      #Call:
      #anosim(x = spe.dist, grouping = env$Protection)
      #Dissimilarity: bray

      #ANOSIM statistic R: 0.04693
      #Significance: 0.029

      #Permutation: free
      #Number of permutations: 999

      #Upper quantiles of permutations (null model):
      #90% 95% 97.5% 99%
      #0.0290 0.0398 0.0487 0.0593

      #Dissimilarity ranks between and within classes:
      # 0% 25% 50% 75% 100% N
      #Between 1 655.625 1193.50 1771.25 2317 1184
      #fished 3 750.500 1360.00 1896.50 2317 666
      #no-take 2 358.125 837.25 1525.00 2285 496


      And then the permanova gives a similar result



      adonis(species~env$Protection,method='bray')

      #Call:
      #adonis(formula = species ~ env$Protection, method = "bray")
      #Permutation: free
      #Number of permutations: 999
      #Terms added sequentially (first to last)

      # Df SumsOfSqs MeanSqs F.Model R2 Pr(>F)
      #env$Protection 1 0.9517 0.95174 2.8946 0.04141 0.002 **
      #Residuals 67 22.0296 0.32880 0.95859
      #Total 68 22.9813 1.00000
      #---
      #Signif. codes: 0 ‘***’ 0.001 ‘**’ 0.01 ‘*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1









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      I am testing differences in community composition between fished and no-take areas, and while the nmds seems to indicate the two levels overlap considerably, ANOSIM and ADONIS suggest there are significant differences. Have I done something wrong or is there a reason for this significant difference that I can't see?



      species

      env=species[,1]
      species=species[,-1]
      species = species[,colSums(species) > 2]

      nmds=metaMDS(species, distance="bray", k=3, type="n", trymax=100)
      nmds
      env$Protection=as.factor(env$Protection)
      pointvec <- c(21, 21)
      bgvec <- c("black","white")
      with(env, levels(Protection))
      plot(nmds,type="n",xaxt='n',xlab="",cex.lab=1.5,cex.axis=1.4,xlim=c(-1.5,1.5),ylim=c(-1.2,1))
      axis(side=1)
      with(env, points(nmds,pch=pointvec[Protection],cex=1,bg = bgvec[Protection],type="p" ,display="sites"))
      ordiellipse(nmds, groups=env$Protection, kind = "se", conf = 0.95)
      legend("topleft", "A", bty="n",cex=1.5,inset=-0.02,adj=1)
      legend("bottomright", "Stress = 0.182", bty="n",cex=1.5)
      with(env,legend("topright", legend = levels(Protection),inset=-0.007,cex=1.5,bty="n",pt.bg = bgvec,pch=pointvec))


      nmds plot showing close overlap of groups



      spe.dist <- vegdist(species,method='bray')
      spe.ano <- anosim(spe.dist, env$Protection)
      summary(spe.ano)

      #Call:
      #anosim(x = spe.dist, grouping = env$Protection)
      #Dissimilarity: bray

      #ANOSIM statistic R: 0.04693
      #Significance: 0.029

      #Permutation: free
      #Number of permutations: 999

      #Upper quantiles of permutations (null model):
      #90% 95% 97.5% 99%
      #0.0290 0.0398 0.0487 0.0593

      #Dissimilarity ranks between and within classes:
      # 0% 25% 50% 75% 100% N
      #Between 1 655.625 1193.50 1771.25 2317 1184
      #fished 3 750.500 1360.00 1896.50 2317 666
      #no-take 2 358.125 837.25 1525.00 2285 496


      And then the permanova gives a similar result



      adonis(species~env$Protection,method='bray')

      #Call:
      #adonis(formula = species ~ env$Protection, method = "bray")
      #Permutation: free
      #Number of permutations: 999
      #Terms added sequentially (first to last)

      # Df SumsOfSqs MeanSqs F.Model R2 Pr(>F)
      #env$Protection 1 0.9517 0.95174 2.8946 0.04141 0.002 **
      #Residuals 67 22.0296 0.32880 0.95859
      #Total 68 22.9813 1.00000
      #---
      #Signif. codes: 0 ‘***’ 0.001 ‘**’ 0.01 ‘*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1






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          Firstly, the NMDS graphics and your tests are inconsistent: tests are for the location of class centroids, but the graph shows the spread of observations. ordiellipse(..., kind = "se", conf = 0.95) would be more consistent with the tests. Secondly, the tests (in particular, adonis -- I would not use anosim) are based on the full n-dimensional space interpreted as Euclidean, whereas NMDS is a two-dimensional mapping of a non-Euclidean dissimilarity (although the NMDS plot itself is Euclidean). It may be that your groups differ in third dimension that you have not estimated.






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          • thanks @Jari Oksanen. I have edited the question to include ordiellipse instead. It does still present considerable overlap. Is there another way to display the data to see these differences in the third dimension? It also seems strange that the R squared is so low (0.04) and yet there is still a significant difference. Does this make sense?

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          Firstly, the NMDS graphics and your tests are inconsistent: tests are for the location of class centroids, but the graph shows the spread of observations. ordiellipse(..., kind = "se", conf = 0.95) would be more consistent with the tests. Secondly, the tests (in particular, adonis -- I would not use anosim) are based on the full n-dimensional space interpreted as Euclidean, whereas NMDS is a two-dimensional mapping of a non-Euclidean dissimilarity (although the NMDS plot itself is Euclidean). It may be that your groups differ in third dimension that you have not estimated.






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          • thanks @Jari Oksanen. I have edited the question to include ordiellipse instead. It does still present considerable overlap. Is there another way to display the data to see these differences in the third dimension? It also seems strange that the R squared is so low (0.04) and yet there is still a significant difference. Does this make sense?

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          Firstly, the NMDS graphics and your tests are inconsistent: tests are for the location of class centroids, but the graph shows the spread of observations. ordiellipse(..., kind = "se", conf = 0.95) would be more consistent with the tests. Secondly, the tests (in particular, adonis -- I would not use anosim) are based on the full n-dimensional space interpreted as Euclidean, whereas NMDS is a two-dimensional mapping of a non-Euclidean dissimilarity (although the NMDS plot itself is Euclidean). It may be that your groups differ in third dimension that you have not estimated.






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          • thanks @Jari Oksanen. I have edited the question to include ordiellipse instead. It does still present considerable overlap. Is there another way to display the data to see these differences in the third dimension? It also seems strange that the R squared is so low (0.04) and yet there is still a significant difference. Does this make sense?

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          Firstly, the NMDS graphics and your tests are inconsistent: tests are for the location of class centroids, but the graph shows the spread of observations. ordiellipse(..., kind = "se", conf = 0.95) would be more consistent with the tests. Secondly, the tests (in particular, adonis -- I would not use anosim) are based on the full n-dimensional space interpreted as Euclidean, whereas NMDS is a two-dimensional mapping of a non-Euclidean dissimilarity (although the NMDS plot itself is Euclidean). It may be that your groups differ in third dimension that you have not estimated.






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          Firstly, the NMDS graphics and your tests are inconsistent: tests are for the location of class centroids, but the graph shows the spread of observations. ordiellipse(..., kind = "se", conf = 0.95) would be more consistent with the tests. Secondly, the tests (in particular, adonis -- I would not use anosim) are based on the full n-dimensional space interpreted as Euclidean, whereas NMDS is a two-dimensional mapping of a non-Euclidean dissimilarity (although the NMDS plot itself is Euclidean). It may be that your groups differ in third dimension that you have not estimated.







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          • thanks @Jari Oksanen. I have edited the question to include ordiellipse instead. It does still present considerable overlap. Is there another way to display the data to see these differences in the third dimension? It also seems strange that the R squared is so low (0.04) and yet there is still a significant difference. Does this make sense?

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          • thanks @Jari Oksanen. I have edited the question to include ordiellipse instead. It does still present considerable overlap. Is there another way to display the data to see these differences in the third dimension? It also seems strange that the R squared is so low (0.04) and yet there is still a significant difference. Does this make sense?

            – Guidofish
            Nov 25 '18 at 17:25

















          thanks @Jari Oksanen. I have edited the question to include ordiellipse instead. It does still present considerable overlap. Is there another way to display the data to see these differences in the third dimension? It also seems strange that the R squared is so low (0.04) and yet there is still a significant difference. Does this make sense?

          – Guidofish
          Nov 25 '18 at 17:25





          thanks @Jari Oksanen. I have edited the question to include ordiellipse instead. It does still present considerable overlap. Is there another way to display the data to see these differences in the third dimension? It also seems strange that the R squared is so low (0.04) and yet there is still a significant difference. Does this make sense?

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