How can I prevent food from spoiling?
Is there a way to remove air from a container via a spell or other means? My DM is starting a new campaign with heavy survival elements, including food spoilage. He agrees that if I could seal spoil-able rations in an airtight container, they would last much longer.
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Is there a way to remove air from a container via a spell or other means? My DM is starting a new campaign with heavy survival elements, including food spoilage. He agrees that if I could seal spoil-able rations in an airtight container, they would last much longer.
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Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already. Good question! Also, it's worth keeping in mind that removing air from a container is not the same thing as the container being airtight.
– V2Blast
16 hours ago
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Have you chosen a class yet or would you make the decision based on the availability of such a spell (if it exists)? Are there restrictions on classes (I can see Create Food and Water / Goodberry ruining part of the survival element)?
– fabian
16 hours ago
I recommend that you take a look at these Q&A regarding survival based campaigns, survival, and foraging. They are related to the campaign's theme, but do not directly address your thoughts on making sealed food containers.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
I've changed the title to one which better matches the question body. Feel free to edit it back, if you think it is necessary.
– enkryptor
14 mins ago
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Is there a way to remove air from a container via a spell or other means? My DM is starting a new campaign with heavy survival elements, including food spoilage. He agrees that if I could seal spoil-able rations in an airtight container, they would last much longer.
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Is there a way to remove air from a container via a spell or other means? My DM is starting a new campaign with heavy survival elements, including food spoilage. He agrees that if I could seal spoil-able rations in an airtight container, they would last much longer.
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Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already. Good question! Also, it's worth keeping in mind that removing air from a container is not the same thing as the container being airtight.
– V2Blast
16 hours ago
4
Have you chosen a class yet or would you make the decision based on the availability of such a spell (if it exists)? Are there restrictions on classes (I can see Create Food and Water / Goodberry ruining part of the survival element)?
– fabian
16 hours ago
I recommend that you take a look at these Q&A regarding survival based campaigns, survival, and foraging. They are related to the campaign's theme, but do not directly address your thoughts on making sealed food containers.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
I've changed the title to one which better matches the question body. Feel free to edit it back, if you think it is necessary.
– enkryptor
14 mins ago
add a comment |
2
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already. Good question! Also, it's worth keeping in mind that removing air from a container is not the same thing as the container being airtight.
– V2Blast
16 hours ago
4
Have you chosen a class yet or would you make the decision based on the availability of such a spell (if it exists)? Are there restrictions on classes (I can see Create Food and Water / Goodberry ruining part of the survival element)?
– fabian
16 hours ago
I recommend that you take a look at these Q&A regarding survival based campaigns, survival, and foraging. They are related to the campaign's theme, but do not directly address your thoughts on making sealed food containers.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
I've changed the title to one which better matches the question body. Feel free to edit it back, if you think it is necessary.
– enkryptor
14 mins ago
2
2
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already. Good question! Also, it's worth keeping in mind that removing air from a container is not the same thing as the container being airtight.
– V2Blast
16 hours ago
Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already. Good question! Also, it's worth keeping in mind that removing air from a container is not the same thing as the container being airtight.
– V2Blast
16 hours ago
4
4
Have you chosen a class yet or would you make the decision based on the availability of such a spell (if it exists)? Are there restrictions on classes (I can see Create Food and Water / Goodberry ruining part of the survival element)?
– fabian
16 hours ago
Have you chosen a class yet or would you make the decision based on the availability of such a spell (if it exists)? Are there restrictions on classes (I can see Create Food and Water / Goodberry ruining part of the survival element)?
– fabian
16 hours ago
I recommend that you take a look at these Q&A regarding survival based campaigns, survival, and foraging. They are related to the campaign's theme, but do not directly address your thoughts on making sealed food containers.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
I recommend that you take a look at these Q&A regarding survival based campaigns, survival, and foraging. They are related to the campaign's theme, but do not directly address your thoughts on making sealed food containers.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
I've changed the title to one which better matches the question body. Feel free to edit it back, if you think it is necessary.
– enkryptor
14 mins ago
I've changed the title to one which better matches the question body. Feel free to edit it back, if you think it is necessary.
– enkryptor
14 mins ago
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Use basic canning techniques.
This is the method used by napoleon and the first use of large scale canning. Fill a bottle to the top with cooked stew, insert cork, put bottle in water and bring to a boil and cook, allow to cool, boom sealed pasteurized food with no air. With spells that let you heat food directly or purify food while still in a sealed jar this is even more effective.
add a comment |
Depending on your campaign, certain actions may be easier or harder.
If you're a part of a lower-level campaign or a low-magic campaign, then that's where things get complicated. You should ask your DM what should be plausible to craft with your resources, but creating a vacuum-sealed environment given the right set of Artisan's Tools isn't impossible. For example, you could burn up all of the oxygen in a sealed space by putting a candle in a closed environment (probably a box), alongside the food. Despite it not being a 'vacuum-seal' by conventional means, it would effectively burn up all oxygen in the environment. Even if this specific idea doesn't work, a good DM will work with you to encourage creativity.
If you're a part of a high-magic campaign and the source of the spoilage is mold, your DM might allow the Purify Food and Drink spell to properly treat the food. Alternatively, Create Food and Water allows you to bypass finding food altogether. If your DM is nice enough, he may even allow you to exploit Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion. According to the spell's text, the mansion
contains sufficient food to serve a nine-course banquet for up to 100 people.
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I'd suggest flipping the organization of your answer around, answering the OP's direct question of how to remove air first, and then describing other potential solutions to the spoilage problem.
– V2Blast
14 hours ago
1
@V2Blast Done. Thanks for the suggestion!
– Hayden Pack
14 hours ago
add a comment |
At the risk of a frame challenge, what you're really asking is how can you preserve food, and you're assuming that an air-tight container is the way to go.
In addition to canning, which John mentioned in his answer, there are many other ways to preserve food.
You might want to consider the variety of ways that people preserved food before refrigeration, such as salting, spicing, smoking, pickling, and drying. Cheese is a way of preserving milk. Many foods such as nuts and root vegetables will last a long time without being treated, as will many staples, such as flour and corn meal.
In a society without refrigeration, food preservation is likely to be well-known by just about everyone, and certainly known by farmers, butchers, and others specializing in food preparation.
Well known enough that preserved foods could just be bought for a journey.
– SevenSidedDie♦
12 mins ago
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Is there a way to remove air from a container via a spell or other means?
There is an easy way — fill the container with water, and all the air inside will be displaced.
if I could seal spoil-able rations in an airtight container, they would last much longer
Well, this is not exactly true. Low oxygen environment does not prevent food from spoiling. For example, it is especially suited for Clostridium botulinum, the bacteria that causes botulism. You need to get rid of the existing bacteria first before sealing the container. Typically this can be made by freezing or boiling.
However, the very process of sterilization (or removing the air, for any means) does not make the container airtight. You probably need to use some kind of hermetic seal. As far as I know, grease and wax (thank you, @KorvinStarmast) were used for preserving food in the medieval times.
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And wax, as well as grease?
– KorvinStarmast
52 mins ago
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Use basic canning techniques.
This is the method used by napoleon and the first use of large scale canning. Fill a bottle to the top with cooked stew, insert cork, put bottle in water and bring to a boil and cook, allow to cool, boom sealed pasteurized food with no air. With spells that let you heat food directly or purify food while still in a sealed jar this is even more effective.
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Use basic canning techniques.
This is the method used by napoleon and the first use of large scale canning. Fill a bottle to the top with cooked stew, insert cork, put bottle in water and bring to a boil and cook, allow to cool, boom sealed pasteurized food with no air. With spells that let you heat food directly or purify food while still in a sealed jar this is even more effective.
add a comment |
Use basic canning techniques.
This is the method used by napoleon and the first use of large scale canning. Fill a bottle to the top with cooked stew, insert cork, put bottle in water and bring to a boil and cook, allow to cool, boom sealed pasteurized food with no air. With spells that let you heat food directly or purify food while still in a sealed jar this is even more effective.
Use basic canning techniques.
This is the method used by napoleon and the first use of large scale canning. Fill a bottle to the top with cooked stew, insert cork, put bottle in water and bring to a boil and cook, allow to cool, boom sealed pasteurized food with no air. With spells that let you heat food directly or purify food while still in a sealed jar this is even more effective.
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Depending on your campaign, certain actions may be easier or harder.
If you're a part of a lower-level campaign or a low-magic campaign, then that's where things get complicated. You should ask your DM what should be plausible to craft with your resources, but creating a vacuum-sealed environment given the right set of Artisan's Tools isn't impossible. For example, you could burn up all of the oxygen in a sealed space by putting a candle in a closed environment (probably a box), alongside the food. Despite it not being a 'vacuum-seal' by conventional means, it would effectively burn up all oxygen in the environment. Even if this specific idea doesn't work, a good DM will work with you to encourage creativity.
If you're a part of a high-magic campaign and the source of the spoilage is mold, your DM might allow the Purify Food and Drink spell to properly treat the food. Alternatively, Create Food and Water allows you to bypass finding food altogether. If your DM is nice enough, he may even allow you to exploit Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion. According to the spell's text, the mansion
contains sufficient food to serve a nine-course banquet for up to 100 people.
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I'd suggest flipping the organization of your answer around, answering the OP's direct question of how to remove air first, and then describing other potential solutions to the spoilage problem.
– V2Blast
14 hours ago
1
@V2Blast Done. Thanks for the suggestion!
– Hayden Pack
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Depending on your campaign, certain actions may be easier or harder.
If you're a part of a lower-level campaign or a low-magic campaign, then that's where things get complicated. You should ask your DM what should be plausible to craft with your resources, but creating a vacuum-sealed environment given the right set of Artisan's Tools isn't impossible. For example, you could burn up all of the oxygen in a sealed space by putting a candle in a closed environment (probably a box), alongside the food. Despite it not being a 'vacuum-seal' by conventional means, it would effectively burn up all oxygen in the environment. Even if this specific idea doesn't work, a good DM will work with you to encourage creativity.
If you're a part of a high-magic campaign and the source of the spoilage is mold, your DM might allow the Purify Food and Drink spell to properly treat the food. Alternatively, Create Food and Water allows you to bypass finding food altogether. If your DM is nice enough, he may even allow you to exploit Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion. According to the spell's text, the mansion
contains sufficient food to serve a nine-course banquet for up to 100 people.
New contributor
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I'd suggest flipping the organization of your answer around, answering the OP's direct question of how to remove air first, and then describing other potential solutions to the spoilage problem.
– V2Blast
14 hours ago
1
@V2Blast Done. Thanks for the suggestion!
– Hayden Pack
14 hours ago
add a comment |
Depending on your campaign, certain actions may be easier or harder.
If you're a part of a lower-level campaign or a low-magic campaign, then that's where things get complicated. You should ask your DM what should be plausible to craft with your resources, but creating a vacuum-sealed environment given the right set of Artisan's Tools isn't impossible. For example, you could burn up all of the oxygen in a sealed space by putting a candle in a closed environment (probably a box), alongside the food. Despite it not being a 'vacuum-seal' by conventional means, it would effectively burn up all oxygen in the environment. Even if this specific idea doesn't work, a good DM will work with you to encourage creativity.
If you're a part of a high-magic campaign and the source of the spoilage is mold, your DM might allow the Purify Food and Drink spell to properly treat the food. Alternatively, Create Food and Water allows you to bypass finding food altogether. If your DM is nice enough, he may even allow you to exploit Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion. According to the spell's text, the mansion
contains sufficient food to serve a nine-course banquet for up to 100 people.
New contributor
Depending on your campaign, certain actions may be easier or harder.
If you're a part of a lower-level campaign or a low-magic campaign, then that's where things get complicated. You should ask your DM what should be plausible to craft with your resources, but creating a vacuum-sealed environment given the right set of Artisan's Tools isn't impossible. For example, you could burn up all of the oxygen in a sealed space by putting a candle in a closed environment (probably a box), alongside the food. Despite it not being a 'vacuum-seal' by conventional means, it would effectively burn up all oxygen in the environment. Even if this specific idea doesn't work, a good DM will work with you to encourage creativity.
If you're a part of a high-magic campaign and the source of the spoilage is mold, your DM might allow the Purify Food and Drink spell to properly treat the food. Alternatively, Create Food and Water allows you to bypass finding food altogether. If your DM is nice enough, he may even allow you to exploit Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion. According to the spell's text, the mansion
contains sufficient food to serve a nine-course banquet for up to 100 people.
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I'd suggest flipping the organization of your answer around, answering the OP's direct question of how to remove air first, and then describing other potential solutions to the spoilage problem.
– V2Blast
14 hours ago
1
@V2Blast Done. Thanks for the suggestion!
– Hayden Pack
14 hours ago
add a comment |
3
I'd suggest flipping the organization of your answer around, answering the OP's direct question of how to remove air first, and then describing other potential solutions to the spoilage problem.
– V2Blast
14 hours ago
1
@V2Blast Done. Thanks for the suggestion!
– Hayden Pack
14 hours ago
3
3
I'd suggest flipping the organization of your answer around, answering the OP's direct question of how to remove air first, and then describing other potential solutions to the spoilage problem.
– V2Blast
14 hours ago
I'd suggest flipping the organization of your answer around, answering the OP's direct question of how to remove air first, and then describing other potential solutions to the spoilage problem.
– V2Blast
14 hours ago
1
1
@V2Blast Done. Thanks for the suggestion!
– Hayden Pack
14 hours ago
@V2Blast Done. Thanks for the suggestion!
– Hayden Pack
14 hours ago
add a comment |
At the risk of a frame challenge, what you're really asking is how can you preserve food, and you're assuming that an air-tight container is the way to go.
In addition to canning, which John mentioned in his answer, there are many other ways to preserve food.
You might want to consider the variety of ways that people preserved food before refrigeration, such as salting, spicing, smoking, pickling, and drying. Cheese is a way of preserving milk. Many foods such as nuts and root vegetables will last a long time without being treated, as will many staples, such as flour and corn meal.
In a society without refrigeration, food preservation is likely to be well-known by just about everyone, and certainly known by farmers, butchers, and others specializing in food preparation.
Well known enough that preserved foods could just be bought for a journey.
– SevenSidedDie♦
12 mins ago
add a comment |
At the risk of a frame challenge, what you're really asking is how can you preserve food, and you're assuming that an air-tight container is the way to go.
In addition to canning, which John mentioned in his answer, there are many other ways to preserve food.
You might want to consider the variety of ways that people preserved food before refrigeration, such as salting, spicing, smoking, pickling, and drying. Cheese is a way of preserving milk. Many foods such as nuts and root vegetables will last a long time without being treated, as will many staples, such as flour and corn meal.
In a society without refrigeration, food preservation is likely to be well-known by just about everyone, and certainly known by farmers, butchers, and others specializing in food preparation.
Well known enough that preserved foods could just be bought for a journey.
– SevenSidedDie♦
12 mins ago
add a comment |
At the risk of a frame challenge, what you're really asking is how can you preserve food, and you're assuming that an air-tight container is the way to go.
In addition to canning, which John mentioned in his answer, there are many other ways to preserve food.
You might want to consider the variety of ways that people preserved food before refrigeration, such as salting, spicing, smoking, pickling, and drying. Cheese is a way of preserving milk. Many foods such as nuts and root vegetables will last a long time without being treated, as will many staples, such as flour and corn meal.
In a society without refrigeration, food preservation is likely to be well-known by just about everyone, and certainly known by farmers, butchers, and others specializing in food preparation.
At the risk of a frame challenge, what you're really asking is how can you preserve food, and you're assuming that an air-tight container is the way to go.
In addition to canning, which John mentioned in his answer, there are many other ways to preserve food.
You might want to consider the variety of ways that people preserved food before refrigeration, such as salting, spicing, smoking, pickling, and drying. Cheese is a way of preserving milk. Many foods such as nuts and root vegetables will last a long time without being treated, as will many staples, such as flour and corn meal.
In a society without refrigeration, food preservation is likely to be well-known by just about everyone, and certainly known by farmers, butchers, and others specializing in food preparation.
answered 51 mins ago
Jack
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Well known enough that preserved foods could just be bought for a journey.
– SevenSidedDie♦
12 mins ago
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Well known enough that preserved foods could just be bought for a journey.
– SevenSidedDie♦
12 mins ago
Well known enough that preserved foods could just be bought for a journey.
– SevenSidedDie♦
12 mins ago
Well known enough that preserved foods could just be bought for a journey.
– SevenSidedDie♦
12 mins ago
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Is there a way to remove air from a container via a spell or other means?
There is an easy way — fill the container with water, and all the air inside will be displaced.
if I could seal spoil-able rations in an airtight container, they would last much longer
Well, this is not exactly true. Low oxygen environment does not prevent food from spoiling. For example, it is especially suited for Clostridium botulinum, the bacteria that causes botulism. You need to get rid of the existing bacteria first before sealing the container. Typically this can be made by freezing or boiling.
However, the very process of sterilization (or removing the air, for any means) does not make the container airtight. You probably need to use some kind of hermetic seal. As far as I know, grease and wax (thank you, @KorvinStarmast) were used for preserving food in the medieval times.
1
And wax, as well as grease?
– KorvinStarmast
52 mins ago
add a comment |
Is there a way to remove air from a container via a spell or other means?
There is an easy way — fill the container with water, and all the air inside will be displaced.
if I could seal spoil-able rations in an airtight container, they would last much longer
Well, this is not exactly true. Low oxygen environment does not prevent food from spoiling. For example, it is especially suited for Clostridium botulinum, the bacteria that causes botulism. You need to get rid of the existing bacteria first before sealing the container. Typically this can be made by freezing or boiling.
However, the very process of sterilization (or removing the air, for any means) does not make the container airtight. You probably need to use some kind of hermetic seal. As far as I know, grease and wax (thank you, @KorvinStarmast) were used for preserving food in the medieval times.
1
And wax, as well as grease?
– KorvinStarmast
52 mins ago
add a comment |
Is there a way to remove air from a container via a spell or other means?
There is an easy way — fill the container with water, and all the air inside will be displaced.
if I could seal spoil-able rations in an airtight container, they would last much longer
Well, this is not exactly true. Low oxygen environment does not prevent food from spoiling. For example, it is especially suited for Clostridium botulinum, the bacteria that causes botulism. You need to get rid of the existing bacteria first before sealing the container. Typically this can be made by freezing or boiling.
However, the very process of sterilization (or removing the air, for any means) does not make the container airtight. You probably need to use some kind of hermetic seal. As far as I know, grease and wax (thank you, @KorvinStarmast) were used for preserving food in the medieval times.
Is there a way to remove air from a container via a spell or other means?
There is an easy way — fill the container with water, and all the air inside will be displaced.
if I could seal spoil-able rations in an airtight container, they would last much longer
Well, this is not exactly true. Low oxygen environment does not prevent food from spoiling. For example, it is especially suited for Clostridium botulinum, the bacteria that causes botulism. You need to get rid of the existing bacteria first before sealing the container. Typically this can be made by freezing or boiling.
However, the very process of sterilization (or removing the air, for any means) does not make the container airtight. You probably need to use some kind of hermetic seal. As far as I know, grease and wax (thank you, @KorvinStarmast) were used for preserving food in the medieval times.
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And wax, as well as grease?
– KorvinStarmast
52 mins ago
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And wax, as well as grease?
– KorvinStarmast
52 mins ago
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1
And wax, as well as grease?
– KorvinStarmast
52 mins ago
And wax, as well as grease?
– KorvinStarmast
52 mins ago
add a comment |
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Welcome to RPG.SE! Take the tour if you haven't already. Good question! Also, it's worth keeping in mind that removing air from a container is not the same thing as the container being airtight.
– V2Blast
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Have you chosen a class yet or would you make the decision based on the availability of such a spell (if it exists)? Are there restrictions on classes (I can see Create Food and Water / Goodberry ruining part of the survival element)?
– fabian
16 hours ago
I recommend that you take a look at these Q&A regarding survival based campaigns, survival, and foraging. They are related to the campaign's theme, but do not directly address your thoughts on making sealed food containers.
– KorvinStarmast
1 hour ago
I've changed the title to one which better matches the question body. Feel free to edit it back, if you think it is necessary.
– enkryptor
14 mins ago