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Let $a$ and $b$ be positive integers.



If $b$ is even, then we have $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor + leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = a$$



I thing the equality also hold when $b$ is odd. What could be a proof for it?



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    Write $b$ as $2k + 1$, where $k$ is a nonnegative integer. Then look at two cases: $a = 2s$ ($s$ a positive integer), and $a = 2s + 1$ ($s$ a nonnegative integer). What do you get for the left-hand side in each case? [You can show your work by clicking "edit" beneath your question.]
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Let $a$ and $b$ be positive integers.



If $b$ is even, then we have $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor + leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = a$$



I thing the equality also hold when $b$ is odd. What could be a proof for it?



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Let $a$ and $b$ be positive integers.



If $b$ is even, then we have $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor + leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = a$$



I thing the equality also hold when $b$ is odd. What could be a proof for it?



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Let $a$ and $b$ be positive integers.



If $b$ is even, then we have $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor + leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = a$$



I thing the equality also hold when $b$ is odd. What could be a proof for it?



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    Write $b$ as $2k + 1$, where $k$ is a nonnegative integer. Then look at two cases: $a = 2s$ ($s$ a positive integer), and $a = 2s + 1$ ($s$ a nonnegative integer). What do you get for the left-hand side in each case? [You can show your work by clicking "edit" beneath your question.]
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    Write $b$ as $2k + 1$, where $k$ is a nonnegative integer. Then look at two cases: $a = 2s$ ($s$ a positive integer), and $a = 2s + 1$ ($s$ a nonnegative integer). What do you get for the left-hand side in each case? [You can show your work by clicking "edit" beneath your question.]
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Write $b$ as $2k + 1$, where $k$ is a nonnegative integer. Then look at two cases: $a = 2s$ ($s$ a positive integer), and $a = 2s + 1$ ($s$ a nonnegative integer). What do you get for the left-hand side in each case? [You can show your work by clicking "edit" beneath your question.]
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Write $b$ as $2k + 1$, where $k$ is a nonnegative integer. Then look at two cases: $a = 2s$ ($s$ a positive integer), and $a = 2s + 1$ ($s$ a nonnegative integer). What do you get for the left-hand side in each case? [You can show your work by clicking "edit" beneath your question.]
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If $a$ and $b$ are both odd (or both even), then $a-b$ and $a+b$ are both even, and thus $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor = frac{a-b}{2} quadtext{and}quad leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = frac{a+b}{2}.$$



Otherwise, if exactly one of $a$ and $b$ is odd, then $a-b$ and $a+b$ are both odd, and thus $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor = frac{a-b}{2} - frac12 quadtext{and}quad leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = frac{a+b}{2} + frac12.$$



In either case, it's easy to check that your equation holds.






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The equality only depends on the parity of $a+b$, as it is the same as that of $a-b$. Then



$$leftlfloorfrac02rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac02rightrceil=0$$
and
$$leftlfloorfrac12rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac12rightrceil=1$$
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    If $a$ and $b$ are both odd then we have $a=2m+1$ and $b=2n+1$ where $m$ and $n$ are positive integers.



    Then, we have begin{align}leftlfloorfrac{a-b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac{a+b}2rightrceil &= leftlfloorfrac{(2m+1)-(2n+1)}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{(2m+1)+(2n+1)}2rightrceil\
    &=leftlfloorfrac{2m-2n}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{2m+2n+2}2rightrceil\
    &=lfloor m-nrfloor + lceil m+n+1rceil\
    &= m-n + m+n+1tag{$*$}\
    &= 2m+1\
    &=aend{align}



    We can get to $(*)$ because $m$ and $n$ are integers and so their floor (or ceiling) is just the number inside (two integers added or subtracted will always give an integer answer).



    If $a$ is even and $b$ is odd, then we have $a=2m$ and $b=2n+1$, again for $m$ and $n$ integers.



    So we have begin{align}leftlfloorfrac{a-b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac{a+b}2rightrceil &= leftlfloorfrac{(2m)-(2n+1)}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{(2m)+(2n+1)}2rightrceil\
    &=leftlfloorfrac{2m-2n-1}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{2m+2n+1}2rightrceil\
    &=leftlfloor m-n-frac 12rightrfloor + leftlceil m+n+frac12rightrceil\
    &= m-n -1+ m+n+1tag{$dagger$}\
    &= 2m\
    &=aend{align}



    Here we get to $(dagger)$ because we round the first half down and the second half up to their respective nearest integers






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      As $s:=a+b$ and $a-b$ have the same parity, we can write



      $$leftlfloorfrac{s-2b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac s2rightrceil=leftlfloorfrac s2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac s2rightrceil-b=s-b=a.$$






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        If $a$ and $b$ are both odd (or both even), then $a-b$ and $a+b$ are both even, and thus $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor = frac{a-b}{2} quadtext{and}quad leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = frac{a+b}{2}.$$



        Otherwise, if exactly one of $a$ and $b$ is odd, then $a-b$ and $a+b$ are both odd, and thus $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor = frac{a-b}{2} - frac12 quadtext{and}quad leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = frac{a+b}{2} + frac12.$$



        In either case, it's easy to check that your equation holds.






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        If $a$ and $b$ are both odd (or both even), then $a-b$ and $a+b$ are both even, and thus $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor = frac{a-b}{2} quadtext{and}quad leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = frac{a+b}{2}.$$



        Otherwise, if exactly one of $a$ and $b$ is odd, then $a-b$ and $a+b$ are both odd, and thus $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor = frac{a-b}{2} - frac12 quadtext{and}quad leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = frac{a+b}{2} + frac12.$$



        In either case, it's easy to check that your equation holds.






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        If $a$ and $b$ are both odd (or both even), then $a-b$ and $a+b$ are both even, and thus $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor = frac{a-b}{2} quadtext{and}quad leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = frac{a+b}{2}.$$



        Otherwise, if exactly one of $a$ and $b$ is odd, then $a-b$ and $a+b$ are both odd, and thus $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor = frac{a-b}{2} - frac12 quadtext{and}quad leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = frac{a+b}{2} + frac12.$$



        In either case, it's easy to check that your equation holds.






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        If $a$ and $b$ are both odd (or both even), then $a-b$ and $a+b$ are both even, and thus $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor = frac{a-b}{2} quadtext{and}quad leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = frac{a+b}{2}.$$



        Otherwise, if exactly one of $a$ and $b$ is odd, then $a-b$ and $a+b$ are both odd, and thus $$leftlfloor frac{a-b}{2} rightrfloor = frac{a-b}{2} - frac12 quadtext{and}quad leftlceil frac{a+b}{2} rightrceil = frac{a+b}{2} + frac12.$$



        In either case, it's easy to check that your equation holds.







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        The equality only depends on the parity of $a+b$, as it is the same as that of $a-b$. Then



        $$leftlfloorfrac02rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac02rightrceil=0$$
        and
        $$leftlfloorfrac12rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac12rightrceil=1$$
        are enough as a proof.






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          The equality only depends on the parity of $a+b$, as it is the same as that of $a-b$. Then



          $$leftlfloorfrac02rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac02rightrceil=0$$
          and
          $$leftlfloorfrac12rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac12rightrceil=1$$
          are enough as a proof.






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            The equality only depends on the parity of $a+b$, as it is the same as that of $a-b$. Then



            $$leftlfloorfrac02rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac02rightrceil=0$$
            and
            $$leftlfloorfrac12rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac12rightrceil=1$$
            are enough as a proof.






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            The equality only depends on the parity of $a+b$, as it is the same as that of $a-b$. Then



            $$leftlfloorfrac02rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac02rightrceil=0$$
            and
            $$leftlfloorfrac12rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac12rightrceil=1$$
            are enough as a proof.







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                If $a$ and $b$ are both odd then we have $a=2m+1$ and $b=2n+1$ where $m$ and $n$ are positive integers.



                Then, we have begin{align}leftlfloorfrac{a-b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac{a+b}2rightrceil &= leftlfloorfrac{(2m+1)-(2n+1)}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{(2m+1)+(2n+1)}2rightrceil\
                &=leftlfloorfrac{2m-2n}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{2m+2n+2}2rightrceil\
                &=lfloor m-nrfloor + lceil m+n+1rceil\
                &= m-n + m+n+1tag{$*$}\
                &= 2m+1\
                &=aend{align}



                We can get to $(*)$ because $m$ and $n$ are integers and so their floor (or ceiling) is just the number inside (two integers added or subtracted will always give an integer answer).



                If $a$ is even and $b$ is odd, then we have $a=2m$ and $b=2n+1$, again for $m$ and $n$ integers.



                So we have begin{align}leftlfloorfrac{a-b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac{a+b}2rightrceil &= leftlfloorfrac{(2m)-(2n+1)}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{(2m)+(2n+1)}2rightrceil\
                &=leftlfloorfrac{2m-2n-1}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{2m+2n+1}2rightrceil\
                &=leftlfloor m-n-frac 12rightrfloor + leftlceil m+n+frac12rightrceil\
                &= m-n -1+ m+n+1tag{$dagger$}\
                &= 2m\
                &=aend{align}



                Here we get to $(dagger)$ because we round the first half down and the second half up to their respective nearest integers






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                  If $a$ and $b$ are both odd then we have $a=2m+1$ and $b=2n+1$ where $m$ and $n$ are positive integers.



                  Then, we have begin{align}leftlfloorfrac{a-b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac{a+b}2rightrceil &= leftlfloorfrac{(2m+1)-(2n+1)}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{(2m+1)+(2n+1)}2rightrceil\
                  &=leftlfloorfrac{2m-2n}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{2m+2n+2}2rightrceil\
                  &=lfloor m-nrfloor + lceil m+n+1rceil\
                  &= m-n + m+n+1tag{$*$}\
                  &= 2m+1\
                  &=aend{align}



                  We can get to $(*)$ because $m$ and $n$ are integers and so their floor (or ceiling) is just the number inside (two integers added or subtracted will always give an integer answer).



                  If $a$ is even and $b$ is odd, then we have $a=2m$ and $b=2n+1$, again for $m$ and $n$ integers.



                  So we have begin{align}leftlfloorfrac{a-b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac{a+b}2rightrceil &= leftlfloorfrac{(2m)-(2n+1)}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{(2m)+(2n+1)}2rightrceil\
                  &=leftlfloorfrac{2m-2n-1}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{2m+2n+1}2rightrceil\
                  &=leftlfloor m-n-frac 12rightrfloor + leftlceil m+n+frac12rightrceil\
                  &= m-n -1+ m+n+1tag{$dagger$}\
                  &= 2m\
                  &=aend{align}



                  Here we get to $(dagger)$ because we round the first half down and the second half up to their respective nearest integers






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                    If $a$ and $b$ are both odd then we have $a=2m+1$ and $b=2n+1$ where $m$ and $n$ are positive integers.



                    Then, we have begin{align}leftlfloorfrac{a-b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac{a+b}2rightrceil &= leftlfloorfrac{(2m+1)-(2n+1)}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{(2m+1)+(2n+1)}2rightrceil\
                    &=leftlfloorfrac{2m-2n}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{2m+2n+2}2rightrceil\
                    &=lfloor m-nrfloor + lceil m+n+1rceil\
                    &= m-n + m+n+1tag{$*$}\
                    &= 2m+1\
                    &=aend{align}



                    We can get to $(*)$ because $m$ and $n$ are integers and so their floor (or ceiling) is just the number inside (two integers added or subtracted will always give an integer answer).



                    If $a$ is even and $b$ is odd, then we have $a=2m$ and $b=2n+1$, again for $m$ and $n$ integers.



                    So we have begin{align}leftlfloorfrac{a-b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac{a+b}2rightrceil &= leftlfloorfrac{(2m)-(2n+1)}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{(2m)+(2n+1)}2rightrceil\
                    &=leftlfloorfrac{2m-2n-1}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{2m+2n+1}2rightrceil\
                    &=leftlfloor m-n-frac 12rightrfloor + leftlceil m+n+frac12rightrceil\
                    &= m-n -1+ m+n+1tag{$dagger$}\
                    &= 2m\
                    &=aend{align}



                    Here we get to $(dagger)$ because we round the first half down and the second half up to their respective nearest integers






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                    If $a$ and $b$ are both odd then we have $a=2m+1$ and $b=2n+1$ where $m$ and $n$ are positive integers.



                    Then, we have begin{align}leftlfloorfrac{a-b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac{a+b}2rightrceil &= leftlfloorfrac{(2m+1)-(2n+1)}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{(2m+1)+(2n+1)}2rightrceil\
                    &=leftlfloorfrac{2m-2n}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{2m+2n+2}2rightrceil\
                    &=lfloor m-nrfloor + lceil m+n+1rceil\
                    &= m-n + m+n+1tag{$*$}\
                    &= 2m+1\
                    &=aend{align}



                    We can get to $(*)$ because $m$ and $n$ are integers and so their floor (or ceiling) is just the number inside (two integers added or subtracted will always give an integer answer).



                    If $a$ is even and $b$ is odd, then we have $a=2m$ and $b=2n+1$, again for $m$ and $n$ integers.



                    So we have begin{align}leftlfloorfrac{a-b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac{a+b}2rightrceil &= leftlfloorfrac{(2m)-(2n+1)}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{(2m)+(2n+1)}2rightrceil\
                    &=leftlfloorfrac{2m-2n-1}2rightrfloor+ leftlceilfrac{2m+2n+1}2rightrceil\
                    &=leftlfloor m-n-frac 12rightrfloor + leftlceil m+n+frac12rightrceil\
                    &= m-n -1+ m+n+1tag{$dagger$}\
                    &= 2m\
                    &=aend{align}



                    Here we get to $(dagger)$ because we round the first half down and the second half up to their respective nearest integers







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                        As $s:=a+b$ and $a-b$ have the same parity, we can write



                        $$leftlfloorfrac{s-2b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac s2rightrceil=leftlfloorfrac s2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac s2rightrceil-b=s-b=a.$$






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                          As $s:=a+b$ and $a-b$ have the same parity, we can write



                          $$leftlfloorfrac{s-2b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac s2rightrceil=leftlfloorfrac s2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac s2rightrceil-b=s-b=a.$$






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                            $$leftlfloorfrac{s-2b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac s2rightrceil=leftlfloorfrac s2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac s2rightrceil-b=s-b=a.$$






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                            As $s:=a+b$ and $a-b$ have the same parity, we can write



                            $$leftlfloorfrac{s-2b}2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac s2rightrceil=leftlfloorfrac s2rightrfloor+leftlceilfrac s2rightrceil-b=s-b=a.$$







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